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Re: July 1950



May 2, 2001
Dear Lacy:
     I picked up the book from the Library last evening.  The maps have 
helped me to pretty much place Don at the time of his being KIA.  I sorta' 
guess you, Chief Wyrick and others probably knew already due to the date of 
his demise and his Units.- The map on page 91 shows 3/21 in the battle 
between  Chonui and Choch'iwon where the narrative reads - "This attack on 
the 3d Battalion, 21st Infantry, was one of the most perfectly co-ordinated 
assults ever launched by North Koreans against American troops. ...."

     Well now I know...  I feel good because I now know and feel my knowing 
keeps Don somehow from being all alone in it, but of course I feel horrible 
and devestated to see how overwhelmed and over run the 3d/21 was.

    Thank you for your assistance in helping me search until I finally 
placed him and know what he went through.
           Best,
          GerneyLee Carter  (Donovan Carter's sister) 3d/21/Co M

>From: "Lacy C. Barnett" <abarnett@globalsite.net>
>To: "Gernilee Carter Gramling" <cartergramling@msn.com>
>Subject: Re: July 1950
>Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:28:07 -0500
>
>In the 3rd Battalion, 21st Inf, there was Headquarters and Headquarters
>Company; Company I (Item); Company K (King); Company L (Love); and Company 
>M
>(Mike).  The 3rd Bn was supported by elements of Heavy Mortar Company,
>Service Company, and Medical Company.  When we went to Korea in July 1950,
>each company had about 120 men.  If he was MIA one day and then listed as
>KIA the next day, that is a clear indication that his body was recovered 
>and
>positively identified by a responsible person.  The body would have been
>taken to a temporary cemetery for burial.  Then at a later date, the 
>remains
>would have been sent to Japan for positive identification from health
>records, and then sent back to the family in the U.S.  It is my opinion 
>that
>if the Army sent his remains back to the family for burial, the remains 
>were
>there in the casket, and had been properly identified.
>If you are reading Appleman online, read about what the 3rd Battalion, 21st
>Inf was doing on 10 and 11 July 50 and you will know what your brother was
>doing when he was killed.
>You can purchase a copy of Appleman's book from the U.S. Government 
>Printing
>Office.
>Lacy Barnett
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gernilee Carter Gramling" <cartergramling@msn.com>
>To: <abarnett@globalsite.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:04 PM
>Subject: Re: July 1950
>
>
> > I called the Library and they are holding the book for me.  I'd love to
>own
> > my own copy.
> >   Where I am reading Appleman now is on line and the maps do not show 
>up.
> >     Can you help me out by giving me a breakdown of Units, i.e.
> > 3d Battalion had how many companys?  And  is there a certain number of 
>men
> > always in a ballalion or company?
> >      I'm still trying to figure out where Don was, what he was doing.
>I've
> > read the messages at the 21st Infantry Regiment Web Stie and an awful 
>lot
>of
> > men were taken POW the same days he supposedly was MIA and then KIA.  
>And
>my
> > family seems to think that there is not any remains in his grave, but 
>only
> > his dog tags.  I'm still trying to figure out if he really was killed or
>was
> > taken POW.
> >      Is that a valid concern?  Or if the records showd "duty to MIA' and
> > then a day later KIA, does that mean they actually found him?
> >         Thanks - Gernilee, Don Carter's sister
> >
> >
> > >From: "Lacy C. Barnett" <abarnett@globalsite.net>
> > >To: "GerneyLee Carter" <cartergramling@msn.com>
> > >Subject: Re: July 1950
> > >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:38:09 -0500
> > >
> > >Please look at the map on page 78, Appleman, to find Chochiwon
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: GerneyLee Carter
> > >   To: Lacy C. Barnett
> > >   Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 AM
> > >   Subject: Re: July 1950
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hi, thanks for the info.  I am unable to locate Chochi'won on ANY 
>map.
> > >Very frustrating.
> > >
> > >   I am getting closer to being able to place Don at the time of his
>death.
> > >  I feel I have it down to one of two situations.  Either the atrocity,
> > >where the mortar men were executed, or the soliders in charge of the
> > >mortars and weapons who were overrun and killed by tanks at Chochi'won
>and
> > >lost wire then radio contact and then fell silent.  Per Appleman's
>account
> > >As you referred to it.
> > >
> > >     Gernilee Carter  (Don's little sister) Company M
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: Lacy C. Barnett
> > >     Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:03 PM
> > >     To: cartergramling@msn.com
> > >     Subject: July 1950
> > >
> > >
> > >     The battles on 9, 10, and 11 July 1950 did not take place at 
>Ansong
> > >and Chonan.  Those battles were at Chonui and Chochiwon.  No, Company 
>M,
> > >21st Inf was not a part of Task Force Smith.  Task Force Smith 
>disbanded
> > >late on 5 July or early on 6 July, and their battle took place at Osan.
> > >     Reference for this:  "South to the Naktong, North to the Yalu," 
>Roy
>E.
> > >Appleman, US Government Printing Office.
> > >     Lacy Barnett
> > >     abarnett@globalsite.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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