Re: Soviet Aircraft Types in Korea

["Love Shack" <Home@DanSources.com>]

What is interesting was that early books seem to indicate the Koreans were
our foe.
Current stuff is that is was practically all Russian in air to air combat.

During the so called peace talks we wanted out of the war but Parks wanted
to fight on.
As I see it....The Chinese, Russians and USA were tired and beaten up
fighting over Korea
and wanted out.

What I am trying to measure, the military right wing in each country badly
wanted a crack at each other.
USA, China, Russia wanted a dual with the best AC available. It seemed to me
Stalin was measuring our ability to fight them since they did not get a
crack at us during WW2.

I have learned the F86 and Mig15 were very equal AC.
BUT see the Mig was better suited as a combat AC then the F86 from a
maintenance point of view.
The F86 achillies heal was the fact it needed a power cart to start the
engine up.

The Russians IMHO fact built a better fighter AC then the USA.  It seemed
all thier AC were lighter and had better P/W ratio and better firepower.  In
fact they more maneuverable.

Dan



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew M. Aid" <mmaid@starpower.net>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Soviet Aircraft Types in Korea


> Dan:
>
> Cookie will probably know better than I, but it would seem that most of
the
> MiG-15s flying missions over the Yalu in 1951, especially during the first
> half of the year, were Russian units from the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps
> under General Lobov based in Manchuria.
>
> Matthew Aid
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Love Shack <Home@DanSources.com>
> To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Soviet Aircraft Types in Korea
>
>
> > So were most of the airbattles with the Koreans or Chinese or Russians
in
> > 1951?
> >
> > Dan Fahey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RonaldS842@aol.com>
> > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: Soviet Aircraft Types in Korea
> >
> >
> > > Hi all-
> > >
> > >    Especially after January 1951 COMINT and the USAFSS was monitoring
> > almost
> > > every air to air, ground to air and ground to ground transmission and
we
> > > probably knew every PLAAF and Russian aircraft in and around Korea and
> the
> > > names of the pilots. We had ferrets (RB 50B) that went along with the
> B-29
> > > raids in 1953.  We destroyed the Danish made telegraph service from
> PLAAF
> > > headquarters in Beijing to the commander of the PLAAF 5th Air Division
> at
> > > Kaiyuan AIR Base in Manchuria who controlled  80 Il-10 ground attack
> > > aircraft. This gave us the opportunity to monitor HF and VHF
> > transmissions.
> > >    Between December 1950 and June 1951 the size of the PLAAF grew from
> 650
> > to
> > > 1,050 combat aircraft including 445 first line MIG-15 jet fighters in
> the
> > > PLAAF inventory by the end of June 1951 (1st RSM Historical Report
> January
> > 1,
> > > 1951- March 1 1951). At the start of the War the NKAF had only 80
> pilots,
> > 40
> > > of whom were rated as "proficient" so the brunt of the airwar was not
> > Korean
> > > pilots.
> > >    In March 1951 COMINT confirmed that two regiments of Soviet-made
> > Ilyushin
> > > Il-10 fighter bombers were training for ground support missions at an
> > > airfield near Kaiyuan in Manchuria and were used by the PLAAF.
> > >    In October 1950 two elite PVO fighter divisions (the 303rd and the
> > 324th)
> > > were deployed from the Moscow region to Chinese air bases around the
> > > Manchurian cities of Antung and Mukden.  They immediately began flying
> > combat
> > > patrols over the Yalu River. Russian pilot intervention was
significant.
> > >    Thanks to Matthew M. Aid's  "American COMINT in the Korean War."
> > Matthew
> > > says once he gets all of his info on the subject together, which is
> > probably
> > > as much as anyone has in the group, he is going to write a book. It
> should
> > be
> > > a good one.
> > >
> > > Ronald Schultz
> > > Moraga, CA
> >
>