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Re: To YSK: NK in Vietnam
Thanks, Diego:
ysk
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From: "Diego Zampini" <dzampini@hotmail.com>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:03 AM
Subject: To YSK: NK in Vietnam
YSK:
>Do you have any info on the NK pilots
>in Vietnam or in Egypt?
My source was the document TFR 210, Volumes 1 and 2, Pages 2 to 22 of the
US-Russia Joint Commisson for POW/MIA in 1992-96. The following excerpts are
taken from that document, and they look like combat summaries sent by the
Vietnamese to the Russians in 1965-72. The excerpts where the participation
of KPAAF and Chinese fliers is mentioned are the following ones:
´February 1967, DRV fighter aircraft conducted 58 sorties to provide cover
for important military targets and to repulse air attacks by American
aircraft. 32 of these sorties were conducted at night. Chinese fighters
conducted 8 sorties during this time frame […].´
´Two aerial battles occurred on 24 April 1967. Participants included 16
MiG-17 aircraft. They shot down four American aircraft wihout suffering any
losses. One of the aircraft was shot down by Korean pilots. The aerial
battle took place at an altitude of 600 – 2,200 meters and at a speed
of 950 – 1,100 kph.´
´23 August 1967 at 1455 hours, a flight of MiG-17 aircraft took off from the
airfield of Noi Bai [Phuc Yen in American carthography at that time –
Diego Zampini] to fly a combat air patrol (CAP) mission over it. The pilots
were Korean. The aircraft shot down one F-105, which had flown into their
sector at an altitude of 700 meters. At 1522 hours, a flight commander and
his wingman attacked a pair of F-4 aircraft, which were pursuing a MiG-17.
The flight commander closed on the wingman of the American formation and
fired aproximately 70% of his combat load on the enemy aircraft. The enemy
aircraft caught fire and attempted to maneuver out of the area and fly
toward the m-Dao mountain ridge. Thre aircraft crashed into a mountain near
that ridge. The other American aircraft broke off and flew back towards
Laos.´
Regarding that particular battle the book “Air War over North
Vietnam” written by Istvan Toperczer stated that day at 1345 hs
several radar stations detected about 40 American aircraft heading towards
Hanoi, and few minutes later two MiG-21s of 921st FR took off to perform a
coordinated interception with two flights of MiG-17s of 923rd FR (the 2
MiG-21s would attack from behind and the 8 MiG-17s ahead). The MiG-21 pilots
Nguyen Nhat Chieu and Nguyen Van Coc shot down respectively the F-105D of
Elmo Baker (POW) and the F-4D of L.Carrigan (POW) and C.Lane (KIA),
meanwhile the MiG-17s of the 1st flight claimed to shot down 2 F-105s and
the 2nd flight claimed a F-4. Personally I guess that this second group of 4
MiG-17s was the one flew by Koreans, and the victim could be the F-4D of
L.Carrigan (POW) and C.Lane (MIA).
´14 January 1968 at 1530 hours, a MiG-21, piloted by a Korean flier, took
off from the airfield at Noi Bai to intercept a flight of American F-4C
fighters. The Korean pilot observed the American fighters flying in a wedge
formation. He attacked the lead aircraft on the second piar with a R-3S
missile. The American pilt attempted to evade the missile but was
unsuccesful. The missile downed the aircraft. The Korean pilot broke off the
attack and returned to the airfield at Noi Bai at 1605 hours.´
´12 February 1968 at 1526 hours, a pair of MiG-21 aircraft, piloted by
Korean fliers, scrambled from the Noi Bai airfield to intercept a flight of
12 F-4B aircraft. The flight of F-4B aircraft were cruising at an altitude
of 4,500 – 7,000 meters and traveing from the Gulf of Tonkin towards
Tien Yen and Dinh Lap. The wingman reported that he saw the four F-4
aircraft below and to the left of his position and three F-4 aircraft below
him. The wingman shot down one enemy aircraft. As he attempted to break off
after the attack, he was attacked by a group of three F-4 aircraft. The
Korean flier ejected from his damaged aircraft and the Americans shot and
killed him as he descended by parachute.´
I could not confirm such Korean claims on 14 January and 12 February 1968, I
mean that I found no reported US losses those days, even when it does not
mean that they had not actually happened. But I could confirm the existance
of an MiG-21 claimed as downed by a AIM-7 fired by F-4D Phantom of the 435th
TFW, 8th TFW (crew: Lt.Col. Alfred E. Lang Jr. and 1st Lt. Randall P. Moss).
So it matched with the admitted North Korean loss, and showing that the
attacked Phantoms were not Naval planes but Air Force planes.
Diego.
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