I have been in hand to hand combat. On the street with my life.
Three innocent people were hurt defending myself. I hurt them.
Did not know they were not additional attackers. Could not tell.
Afterward I got the story of what happened.
Being a 145lb Bouncer is a bit on the light side and in the maylay of a battle
you just flail away. I was scared and then lost my fear.
I had no other focus then to survive. There is no other vision.
I quit my Bouncer position though I was invited back by the management and customers. It was trama for me. I only had a few good fights in my life, but never on the daily battle field where you shoot first and ask questions later.
I survived, the people who cause the fight were arrested. Though complemented for my deeds I was humiliated because I went to a dark place I never want to go back to again.
Those guys you are trying to pound were fighting for their lives because they had no choice. Their training did not prepare then for what they ultimately had to do. Secenario training was learned on the job. Today we do serious scenario training.
When we go to war now most of the casualties we receive are now self
The enemy dies in batches. So go to war someday. Get really mixed up in a battle.
Talk to a few Vietnam guys who were in direct hand to hand combat. They will tell you stories that you will give you nightmares.
I still train with those guys. Compared to what they went through I am a wimp.
In a message dated 1/23/2002 7:08:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, DanFahey@DanSources.com writes:
My disappointment is that we have been lied to from our history books.
Or in a milder form, not given all the information.
Thanks Dan for that honest acknowledgment!
Some guys seem to be stuck in the Cold War mentality.
They are blind in their own narrow mind unfortunately.
Anyway, I contacted one of the authors of the NGR book
and here is what he said about the NGR:
``There seems to be some major confusion about No Gun
Ri. Here are the facts:
--At least 35 veterans who were with the 7th Cav in July
1950 in Korea have told the AP or Pentagon
investigators, or both, that they saw their unit kill
refugees at No Gun Ri.
--Their descriptions of what they witnessed or took part
in mesh in detail with those of 36 Korean survivors.
--In the National Archives, the AP has found many, many
orders, in writing, to indiscriminately shoot refugees
around this time. One simply has to look at
www.henryholt.com for ``The Bridge at No Gun Ri'' to
view them oneself.
--The Pentagon and the South Korean Defense Ministry
concluded last January, in separate investigative
reports, that the 7th Cav did shoot the refugees at No
--More recently, a study at the U.S. Army Command and
General Staff College concluded that U.S. commanders
bore ``criminal responsibility'' for the killings at No
Gun Ri, something the Pentagon report did not say.
--No one will ever know the precise number of refugees
killed. The Korean survivors say up to 400, and they
have compiled a list of more than 200 names. Ex-GIs say
they don't know, or variously estimate ``under 100,'' or
100, or 200, or ``hundreds.''
--Focusing on any individual GI's credibility is
pointless, unless one intends to try to discredit every
one of more than 60 individuals, who from two sides of
the world have told similar stories. The Pentagon and
South Korean investigators recognized the solidity of
the basic story."
Hope this helps in clarifying the picture!