RE: Panther V Mig Redux

["Daniel T. Fahey" <DanFahey@DanSources.com>]

Diego:
Other then speed what were the technical differences between the Mig and
Panther?
I figure the Mig had a better climb. The Panther better Maneuverability and
Firepower.  What other infomation do you have on the battles between the Mig
and Navy.

Also.. the British had the Spiteful, Mk24 Spitfire and Fury.  I know the
Fury managed to knock 1 to 4 Migs down.  What I cannot determine are our
Allies losses or air to air victories that flew with us.   Are there any
books or other information that I can look up that you know of?  I would
like to help with the research on this group.

Sincerely
Dan Fahey



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
[mailto:owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu]On Behalf Of Diego Zampini
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:01 AM
To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
Cc: jbren1@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Panther V Mig Redux


Mr. Brennan:

>Williams' Panther BuNo. 125459 suffered class damage code d-2, >restored to
>service. Your info means overall type score was: Panther >4, MiG 1,
>admitted total loss each side. Easier than Saber-MIG!

Certainly the Phanter pilots gain the upper hand in Nov 1950 and 1952, a
testimony of his good training and skills.
But from my point of view it is premature to establish the margin of
superiority. On July 21 1951, when the MiG-15 pilot Boris Abakumov (196th
IAP, 324th IAD) shot down the F9F of 1st Lt. Richard Bell (POW), several
other Soviet pilots claimed kills, and despite I don't think 6 more kills
were scored, I have serious reasons to believe that at least 2 more F9Fs
were shot down that day (both by the MiG-15 of the unit's commander, Col.
Yevgeni Pepelyayev). Apparently in both cases the wreckages were found (with
their pilots killed in their cockpit) and in one of them they found a serial
number: "109I405116". Such details are mentioned in the 1059 document of
Cookie.
Addittionaly, many F9F losses match in date with Soviet claims of 'F-84' or
'F-80' kills (the Soviet pilots usually missidentified the Panthers with
Thunderjets and Shooting Stars), and despite such losses are offically
credited at flak fire or a failed pull after a bomb diving, it must be noted
that the loss of the F-84Es of Bernard Seitzinger on Oct.8 1951 and James
Wills on Apr.12 1953 were originally credited to such causes, when they were
actually shot down by MiG-15 pilots (Col. Pepelyayev and Capt. Semyenov
respectivelly). Similar circumstances could be told about Panther losses.
Despite that, it is clear that the clear technical superiority of the MiG-15
against the Panther, regarding the key factor (pilots' skills) the Panther
pilots had an edge against most of MiG pilots.
Just my 2 cents,
Diego Zampini.

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