RE: United Nations

["DONALD KILMER" <donskil@msn.com>]

>From other posts and reading different material and books NK and SK
>were pitching for a fight and were recruiting resources.

Dan,

The problem with this conception is that it equates the actions of
North and South, when the North was actively planning the invasion,
acquired the arms to carry it out, lined up the major powers in the region 
behind it, and in fact had already sent large formations into the South.

The South, for its part, was entirely in a defensive mode, combatting
the North's guerilla units in various areas and trying to defend
the border.  It had no foreign support for anything.  Its arms
were pathetic.  Regardless of how the South conducted itself, Kim
and Co were determined to conquer it.

Regards,
Don



>From: "Daniel T. Fahey" <DanFahey@DanSources.com>
>Reply-To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
>To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
>Subject: RE: United Nations
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:41:13 -0500
>
>That is not how I see it.  Stalin was playing coy.
>You are right Kim Il Sung consulted OFTEN.
> >From other posts and reading different material and books NK and SK
>were pitching for a fight and were recruiting resources.
>
>On the US side, we made a mistake not supporting Chaing kai Chek in China 
>in
>1946.
>Rhee was the PITA where we were damned if we did and damed if we did not
>support SK.
>
>Stalin did not expend too many of his resources helping China in 1946.
>They had captured a massive amount of arms from the Japanese.
>To mollify Mao he gave China that equipment.
>Strange Chiang was again beaten with Japanese equipment.
>
>He did the same to Kim Il..He had a pile of WW2 airplanes and T34 tanks 
>just
>sitting around. I think they built 40000 Yaks alone. No skin off his teeth.
>The T34 effective
>was finally outcalssed by UN/US equipment. China invested heavily with men
>and equipment. They bit hardtime.
>
>Somehow we are saying nearly the same thing.  My information comes from
>reading about the pre war era from 1945 to 1950.  Sk and NK not get support
>easily.  There seems that there was a bunch of high stakes wrestling going
>on.
>
>Communist China is understood. We had no dialog.
>Russia OTOH was an ally of the US in WW2.
>As tough as Stalin was he was no fool.
>IMO he wanted to just spar with the US.
>
>Dan Fahey
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
>[mailto:owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu]On Behalf Of DONALD KILMER
>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:49 PM
>To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
>Subject: Re: United Nations
>
>
>
>The USSR and the PRC were not "sucked" into the war.
>They were consulted extensively by Kim Il Sung
>on his plans for the invasion of the south. They gave their
>full approval and promise of continued materiel support,
>and the Soviets developed the military plan for the
>invasion.  Both the USSR and the PRC released Korean
>ethnic troops from their armies for participation
>in the invasion.  Once the invasion was defeated, and
>the communists were on the verge of complete defeat,
>the PRC and the USSR made good their promises of support,
>if Kim were to get into trouble.  Albeit, they did not
>expect the U.S. to enter the war and their client to
>be so completely defeated.  It is clear, however, that
>Stalin was testing the waters for military exploits in
>other areas of the world.
>
>Nor can it be said honestly that the U.S. was "sucked"
>into the war by South Korea.  The U.S. had no obligation
>to defend South Korea, but did so in order to stop the
>communists' global imperial ambitions.  It was a rational
>decision, and a humanitarian one.
>
>Don
>
>
> >From: "Daniel T. Fahey" <DanFahey@DanSources.com>
> >Reply-To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> >To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> >Subject: RE: United Nations
> >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:55:45 -0500
> >
> >This was not a matter of legal right.
> >All of three China, Russia and US were sucked into this war
> >by SK and NK respectively.
> >We all got what we intended.
> >Until we all figured it was too costly.
> >
> >SK and NK still wanted to continue fighting with each other
> >after the Truce had been made.
> >
> >Dan Fahey
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> >[mailto:owner-KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu]On Behalf Of DONALD KILMER
> >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:50 AM
> >To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> >Subject: Re: United Nations
> >
> >
> >
> >Truman, the U.S., and the U.N. had every legal right to come
> >to the aid of South Korea against the blatant aggression from
> >North Korea.  To insist otherwise is hopelessly childish, and
> >is completely contrary to every international legal precedent.
> >
> >John2: What court shares your peculiar legal opinions?
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
> > >From: <Jhk789@aol.com>
> > >Reply-To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> > >To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> > >Subject: Re: United Nations
> > >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:41:31 EST
> > >
> > >In a message dated 2/24/2002 3:23:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > >RonaldS842@aol.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > President Harry Truman, taking
> > > > the advice of his secretary of state, Dean Acheson, launched 
>American
> > > > planes
> > > > in responce "before" UN approval had been obtained, which it was
> > > > eventually".
> > > >    The US has always paid strict observance to UN Article 51 which
> > >permits
> > > > military action in self-defense, but to nothing else.
> > > >
> > >
> > >Ron,
> > >
> > >That's an interesting point!
> > >Perhaps, you could do some research as to
> > >the exact date and time when Truman authorized use
> > >of US Air Force in S.Korea v. the UN resolution asking
> > >states to render assistance to S.Korea.
> > >
> > >The book sounds right to me & it only reinforces
> > >my view that Truman didn't give a damn about the UN charter,
> > >but took advantage of UN if it suited him. (e.g. using the cover
> > >to avoid a formal declaration of war from the Congress)
> > >
> > >As for the theory of self-defense, sorry it doesn't
> > >work like that. The fighting was between the two
> > >Korean forces, not bet. N.K. and the US.
> > >At the time, US had only military advisers to ROK.
> > >Thus, Truman had no legal right to intervene in
> > >the war under pretext of self-defense.
> > >
> > >John2
>
>
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