Re: MiG pilots got worse

["Diego Zampini" <dzampini@hotmail.com>]

Mr. Carr:

<<Sabres did probably get the worst of the fight. Course being outnumbered 
in theater 10 to 1 did not help much.>>

The MiG-15s never outnumbered the Sabres 10 to 1. On October 1951 there were 
89 Sabres vs 180 Soviet MiGs (the role of the Chinese at that time was 
minimal, they almost did not participate in combat) only a 2 to 1. And in 
June 1953 there were 3 Soviet air divisons (32nd, 216th and 133rd IAD) with 
3 regiments each (36 x 9 = 324 MiGs) with probably 200 Chinese MiGs more 
(500 MiGs) vs 397 Sabres of the 4th, 51st FIWs, 8th and 18th FBWs. It was 
almost 1.5 to 1.

<<Also the Migs being able to turn tale and run back across the yalu when it 
got too hot for them. We had a lot of catching up to do and I think We did 
real well under the conditions. Also our planes went visting on occassion 
and left some calling cards that took a
while to repair. Not many admit to crossing the Yalu but it happened.>>

Indeed true. The MiGs ran across the Yalu when were in troubles. Vets like 
Sergei Kramarenko admitted it. But also the Sabres ran towards the Gulf of 
Korea in the same situations, taking advantage of the Soviet prohibition of 
flying over the sea. Both sides had their respective 'sanctuaries'. The fact 
that the Sabre pilots crossed the Yalu is confirmed by the amount of Sabre 
pilots downed in the 'wrong' side of the Yalu: Lt.Col. Ed Heller was shot 
down by a MiG-15 pilot (Sr.lt. Karpov) of 913 IAP over Chinese soil, and the 
same happened to Hal Fischer on April 7 1953 when he shot down Sr.Lt. 
Ugrymov and was also shot down by Grigorii Berelidze.
Diego.



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