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Mr. Dove's excellent memory
You've got an excellent memory Mr. Dove.
Yeo.bo se.yo is used to get attention. It's pretty much a catch all for
"Hey you, heads up, hello (on the phone), give me your attention please,
pay attention now, and yo!"
So, if a lot of Koreans looked around when you said "Attention please!" and
they weren't sure
whose attention you wanted.
it's probably because they were wondering what was next.
ko.map.sum.ni.da is literally "I am grateful".
They taught you polite and formal Korean.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Dove <swan@haysco.net>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: now I've heard everything!
> Will, I have wondered about this for more than 50 years. Does "yobo sayo"
> really mean, "Hey you"? We were told that it did. And the Koreans always
> looked around when we shouted it, but they may have looked around if we
had
> shouted "Zip code," for all I know. That, and "Kumupsnida -which means
> "Thank you" - were the only two Korean words I learned. Japanese was
taught
> in the schools for 50 years during the occupation, so I could converse
with
> them in Japanese.
>
> Bob Dove
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "will" <will@netpath.net>
> To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: now I've heard everything!
>
>
> > Yeah, Korea is the most protestant Asian nation. The Phillipines has a
> lot
> > of
> > Catholics but about 1/3 of Koreans are protestant. A lot of this is due
> to
> > the
> > fact that Protestant and Methodist missionaries founded many schools and
> > universities
> > in Korea, including Yonsei University which I will begin attending in
> > September.
> >
> > I've been to North Carolina han.in jang.ro kyo.hoe (North Carolina
> > Presbyterian Church)
> > in Durham a couple of times and it's just like any Southern Presbyterian
> > church except
> > the traditonal Sunday lunch is Korean food. They have an
English-language
> > service and
> > Korean language service. I went to the Korean language ones with my
> friend
> > Han Su.jin
> > a couple of times. It was kind of cool because some of her friends
said
> > "is HE your
> > boyfriend?" in Korean and I kind of shocked them by answering back "no,
> I'm
> > just
> > visiting". Heh heh...
> >
> > Anyway, I know another North Korean who moved to Slovakia when she was
> four.
> > Her romanization of Korean was strange. I asked where she was from and
> she
> > typed out
> > bug zo.sun. I think I wrote to the list about that.
> >
> > http://www.kimsoft.com/2001/author.htm
> >
> > There's Mr. Kim's autobiography.
> >
> > So, I'm citing ysk on ysk.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GerneyLee Carter <cartergramling@msn.com>
> > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:28 AM
> > Subject: now I've heard everything!
> >
> >
> > > Will:
> > > I have to apologize for this reaction ahead of time, but I am well
> versed
> > in
> > > denominations and love learning about them; reared a Baptist, now an
> > > Episcopalian, I am always amazed at what we can do here in America -
so
> > here
> > > goes: - -
> > > A NORTH KOREAN MORMAN???
> > > As my daughter called them when little and a gaggle of the boys lived
in
> > an
> > > apartment above us: Normans. They were nice guys, high spirted and
> > > wonderful but finally got evicted for putting miniture marshmellows
all
> > over
> > > the windows!!! isn't that adorable, boys will be boys...
> > > Can't wait to share that one with my friends. North Korean
> > > Morman. Choice is freedom and you sure get choice here in the good
ole
> US
> > > of A, huh? Most Koreans I know here in the Harrisburg, PA area are
> > > Presbyterians. I guess the Presbyterians courted the Koreans in Korea
> as
> > > well as here.
> > > Thanks for the amazing information.
> > > Gernilee
> > >
> > >
> > > >To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > > >Subject: Re: "Let's drive out the Yankee murderers" - say the Korean
> > > >teenage girls
> > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:10:04 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Beth,
> > > >YSK is a North Korean Mormon with US Citizenship in Utah.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Beth Cullom
> > > > To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> > > > Cc: Jack Farris
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: "Let's drive out the Yankee murderers" - say the
Korean
> > > >teenage girls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have shared ysk's post with Lt.G. Jack B. Farris (ret.), who has
> > given
> > > >me permission to share his response with the group.
> > > >
> > > > Beth Cullom
> > > >
> > > > Jack Farris <JackFarris@andrewcollege.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Beth: Where did you get this thing? What a bungled nightmare.
I
> > > >commanded the 2d ID for two years and lived at Red Cloud. For every
> > Korean
> > > >killed or seriously injured by my troops, I called on the family with
> the
> > > >local mayor within hours to apologize and offer financial
compensation,
> > as
> > > >was the custom. Thus, I never had a problem like this. I wonder if
> this
> > > >is a balanced report.
> > > >
> > > > Sure you can use my comments. Either CG 2d ID has lost his
> marbles
> > or
> > > >this is a very biased report. I suspect it's biased. This is not
the
> > way
> > > >we handle situations like this in the Army. Jack
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Beth Cullom
> > > > To: Jack Farris
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 5:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Fwd: "Let's drive out the Yankee murderers" - say the
> > > >Korean teenage girls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack: FYI, since you've served in peace time Korea.
> > > >
> > > > The article was translated by a South Korean person on the
> Korean
> > > >War List that I subscribe to; the list is based out of the University
> of
> > > >Kansas and exists for the purpose of collecting primary histories.
> There
> > > >are subsequent posts on the topic that you might also find
interesting
> > and
> > > >I'll save them for you. Would you mind if I sent your coments to the
> > list
> > > >to contribute to the discussion?
> > > >
> > > > Beth
> > > >
> > > > ysk <ysk@kimsoft.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:37:43 -0700
> > > > From: "ysk"
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: "Let's drive out the Yankee murderers" - say the
> Korean
> > > >teenage girls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "This is a US property - get off it" - says the US Military
> > > >
> > > > "Let's drive out the Yankee murderers" - say the Korean
> teenage
> > > >girls
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > <http://www.kimsoft.com/>
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > > On June 20 of this year. a large group of South Korean
junior
> > high
> > > >school girls faced down a group of heavily armed American troops at
the
> > > >Garison Camp Red Cloud of the US 2nd Infantry Division, located
> Yijongbu
> > a
> > > >few miles north of Seoul. The young girls were marching in protest
of
> > two
> > > >of their school mates crushed to death by the Americans. The armed
> > > >Americans told the tearful girls - "This is our land and get off it".
> > > >
> > > > Photo: Korean teens - Let's drive out the US military
> > > >
> > > > Some 180 students of the Yijungbu Junior High School were
> joined
> > > >by some 70 civic organizations. They held a protest rally in front
of
> > the
> > > >American military base.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Photo: Some 60 heavily armed American soldiers faced the
> protest
> > > >marchers. "This is our land - get off it!"
> > > >
> > > > The marchers wanted to hand an open letter to the American
> > > >commander of the base. The letter demanded the truth about the
alleged
> > > >accident and a public apology. The march was held exactly one week
> after
> > > >Shin Hyo Soon and Sim Mi Sun, both students at the Sinyiju Junior
High,
> > > >were crushed to death by an American armored car while walking to a
> > > >friend's birthday party. At about 17:10, seventy or so Korean civic
> > > >activists gathered in front of the base, whereupon, the Americans
> closed
> > > >the front gate shut. The activists claim that the Americans tried to
> > > >silence them by bribing the victims' bereaved families with money.
> They
> > > >also claim that the Americans spread a false rumor that the victims'
> > > >families wanted more money. These actions of the Americans have
> angered
> > > >the victims' families and their friends.
> > > >
> > > > On the evening of the 19th, the Americans at the 2nd
division
> > camp
> > > >held an unofficial briefing on the incident and 'proved' that the
> > Americans
> > > >did nothing wrong and that the dead girls were asking for it. They
were
> > > >being careless. The briefing officer showed charts and maps to
> buttress
> > > >the American claim. The Korean activists were incensed at the
American
> > > >attempt to whitewash this tragic death of two young Korean girls and
> > sprang
> > > >into action. They formed a formal action group to (1) uncover the
> truth,
> > > >(2) punish the guilty, (3) get public apology by the commander of
the
> US
> > > >troops in Korea and of the US ambassador in Korea, (4) ask for
> > compensation
> > > >to the bereaved families and (5) set up a memorial to the victims at
> the
> > > >place where they were crushed to death by the Americans.
> > > >
> > > > At about 18:30, the activists accompanied by several Korean
> news
> > > >crews arrived at the American base and demanded to see the base
> > commander.
> > > >They were met inside the gate by a group of base employees in
civilian
> > > >cloth, who went into a shoving match with the protesters. The
> > > >confrontation got intense and hostile and finally, Major Ono, in
charge
> > of
> > > >civic affairs, came out to meet the activists. Ono told the angry
> > > >protesters: "You are on an American property. Please get off it now
> and
> > > >let's talk outside the gate". The crowd outside the gate calmed
down
> > > >somewhat by Ono's apparent willingness to talk things out.
> > > >
> > > > Ono curtly stated that "You cannot see the base commander or
> the
> > > >division commander or the 8th Army commander." The activists
> demanded
> > > >that a responsible American officer sign for the open letter and
> > guarantee
> > > >that the letter will be delivered to the top American commander in
> Korea.
> > > >This crafty Ono pretended that he would go along and continue the
> > > >discussion outside the gate and the activists went along. As the
they
> > left
> > > >the base, Major Ono disappeared and a unit of South Korean police
> herded
> > > >the protesters off the base.
> > > >
> > > > Ono's deception rubbed salts into the raw nerves of the
> > protesters
> > > >and they rushed 2-3 meters pass the gate and began to fight the base
> > guards
> > > >and the Korean police. Several of the Korean news crews were beaten
up
> by
> > > >the Americans.
> > > >
> > > > At about 19:10, at least 180 students from the Yijungbu
Junior
> > > >High joined the marchers. The young teens shouted at the Korean
police:
> > > >"Police - you are Koreans, too and aren't you angry at the Americans
> for
> > > >killing our friends? All we want is justice. Don't you live in our
> town
> > > >and aren't you our neighbors, uncles and brothers?" The girls wept
and
> > > >shouted anti-American slogans and the crowd began to grow and more
> Korean
> > > >police arrived. It was a tense moment - a powder keg about to blow.
The
> > > >Korean police was backed by more than sixty heavily armed Americans.
> > > >
> > > > An armed KATUSA - Korean Augmentation to the US Army -
> defending
> > > >the base told the protesters that he was just following the rule.
> Forty
> > or
> > > >so more Korean police showed up and threatened the protesters, but
they
> > > >stayed on and continued the protest. The girls sang arirang at the
top
> of
> > > >their lungs. One of their teachers said: "Until now I have told you
to
> > > >watch out for cars. I have not told you to watch put for American
> > armored
> > > >cars. I have never dreamed that a well-trained and controlled army
> would
> > > >crush my students to death....".
> > > >
> > > > As the teacher spoke, some of the Korean police rushed in
and
> > > >began to arrest those marchers still inside the camp. They were still
> > > >trying to deliver the open letter. The crowd outside was even more
> > enraged
> > > >by the action of their own police and screamed at the police - "you
> > > >hooligan police go away!". By 20:42, the Korean police managed to
drag
> > out
> > > >all marchers off the base. Outside the gate, the marchers and the
> Korean
> > > >police faced off.
> > > >
> > > > A political leader spoke to the crowd: "We don't want to
fight
> > our
> > > >police blocking our just march. We want to talk to an American
> > > >representative and hear an American apology. The Korean police
> blocking
> > us
> > > >are our own brothers. You policemen, when you go home tonight, many
of
> > you
> > > >will face your own sisters of Hyon Sun and Mi Sun's age. Why are you
> > > >fighting us? We should fight the Americans together as brothers and
> > > >sisters and make sure that no more young Korean girls like Hyon Sun
and
> > Mi
> > > >Sun are killed by the Americans."
> > > >
> > > > The girls repeated his word by word loudly amidst weeping.
> The
> > > >politician then told the crowd to go home to fight another day. The
> girls
> > > >sang "Our wish is unified Korea.." as they left the scene. The
protest
> > > >that began at 17:00 finally ended at 20:55. The open letter was left
> > > >undelivered and no American apology was heard that day. The marchers
> > plan
> > > >to mount a large scale march at a later date.
> > > >
> > > > Curiously few of the Korean news media have reported on the
> > death
> > > >of two young Korean girls by the Americans. No radio, no TV, no
major
> > news
> > > >on this incident. There have been many incidents like this in the
> > Yijungbu
> > > >and Paju regions where major American bases are located. Americans
in
> > > >training exercises have trashed farm crops, damaged roads, blocked
> > traffic
> > > >for hours. More than US 400 vehicular violations are reported each
> year,
> > > >which accounts for 60-70% of crimes by the US military in Korea. Yet
> > only
> > > >ten cases have been brought to the court of law.
> > > >
> > > > The Americans held a mock memorial service for the dead
girls
> > and
> > > >raised a few bucks for the bereaved families. What is 'peace'? If
we
> > > >cannot live in peace in our own land because of the crimes committed
by
> > the
> > > >Americans here in Korea, then there is no peace in Korea. The
> Americans
> > > >say they are hear to keep peace but the fact of the matter is that
they
> > are
> > > >here to disturb the peace - they are here to ensure that we get no
> peace
> > in
> > > >Korea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/bethcullom/flag.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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