Re:

[Joe Brennan <jbren1@optonline.net>]

My own experience is people of the next generation, some Americans in Korea
for example, used that word to mean simply "I'm better than you", to
Koreans, no longer anything to do with the NKPA. So that's how it's come to
be understood. Some of the other words thrown back and forth: reb, yank,
dogface, etc. haven't picked up really nasty meanings or have lost them if
they did. How people understand what you say matters I think, not just what
you mean to say.

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald McElfresh" <a0019874@airmail.net>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:59 PM
Subject: Re:


> Good grief. When someone is trying to "exit" me, I couldn't care less
about what
> I call him, or how he reacts to it. What did you think they called us.
"Those
> lovely American chaps?" Down here in Texas I'm still called a "damnyankee"
(one
> word) and I've been here for 27 of the last 32 years.
>
> Don
>
> Joe Brennan wrote:
>
> > Hope it's not presumptuous because I wasn't in Korea at the time of the
war,
> > or even on the earth. But looking at it from a more of a distance the
reason
> > to avoid that term is more clear. It wasn't a term for the *North*
Koreans
> > after all (at least it's not understood that way by anyone today) it
wasn't
> > a term expressing disdain for the enemy per se (like "krauts") it was
racial
> > let's face it. So a big mudball kind of word that splattered on our
allies
> > when used then and splatters on a lot of Americans too when it's used
now.
> > I'm glad most people find it unacceptable.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "GerneyLee Carter" <cartergramling@msn.com>
> > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:11 AM
> >
> > >
> > > Yeah, my sentiments exactly.   We can kill them but not call them
gooks...
> > > well, I guess this is just another step in our trying to civilize
> > ourselves.
> > >    We've come a long way - but war will never go away, I fear.  And so
we
> > > can dance around the issue of respect for all living peoples by
playing
> > with
> > > political correctness in terms of pronouns and nouns, but the weapons
> > speak
> > > louder than words - --so we think they are nice, honorable people,
> > correctly
> > > called North Koreans, and then we kill them.   Maybe we respect who we
> > kill,
> > > like the American Indians respected the animals they killed and ate,
but
> > > first honored...?    But the animals I guess were not out to undo
them...
> > > no analogy I guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "swan" <swan@haysco.net>
> > > >Reply-To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> > > >To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > > >Subject: Re: Naval Aircraft v. MiG
> > > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:33:29 -0500
> > > >
> > > >I never saw any MIGS during the fall and winter of 1950. for a while
> > there
> > > >was a small NK observation plane that would fly over our positions.
We
> > > >called him "Bedcheck Charlie." The best planes for ground support
were
> > the
> > > >prop driven ones. They could throttle down and give the NKs (y'all
don't
> > > >like the word "Gooks") a good going over. The jets' strafing runs
were a
> > > >lot shorter, due to their speed. And they seemed to spend a lot less
time
> > > >over the target area.
> > > >
> > > >It seems sorta strange. We talk about killing them, but we can't call
> > them
> > > >Gooks.
> > > >
> > > >Bob Dove
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: AMPSOne@aol.com
> > > >   To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu
> > > >   Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:07 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: Naval Aircraft v. MiG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Joe,
> > > >
> > > >   It's harder to get a good solid match between Navy and VVS
aircraft.
> > > >Most ot the ones I have correlated are not Soviet as most of the
Soviet
> > > >sources say so but since the Chinese did not do well they don't
either!
> > > >
> > > >   I am down in Virginia Beach right now and have none of the books
handy
> > > >nor my data bases so you'll have to hang on until I get back and
check
> > them
> > > >out. But overall I think the Chinese did most of the combat with the
Navy
> > > >and also no KPAFAC MiGs ever got into combat as Korean units (onesies
and
> > > >twosies with the PLAAF is more likely, as Kim did not want to lose
his
> > > >"new" air forces as he did the first one...)
> > > >
> > > >   Cookie
> > > >
> > > >
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