Re:

["Janet Valentine" <valent03@bellsouth.net>]

Mike,

Thanks, I own the volume, but had missed that reference.  However, I'm
wondering if naming that particular hill "Luke" isn't just a creative bit of
soldier rhyme, with gook remaining the slang for the enemy.   Can any list
members recall refering to the enemy as "luke?"  I'd really appreciate
hearing about it if you do.


Janet


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davino" <mdavino@yahoo.com>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: Re:


> Janet,
>
> A good reference for Luke is none other than volume II
> of the US Army's official history of the Korean War,
> "Truce Tent and Fighting Front."  Incredibly (at least
> it is in today's day and age) the Army's official
> history, printed in 1966, actually uses the term "Luke
> the Gook's Castle."  No doubt that if it were being
> published in 2002, the Army Center of Military History
> would have found a less objectionable term.  Maybe
> something like, "the enemy's extensive bunker
> complex."  See pages 376-77. Any good library should
> have a copy or this link will take you to chapter 17
> of the web version:
>
> http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/korea/truce/ch17.htm
>
> I'll look through my Korean war references for one on
> "Linc (or Link) the Chink" but in the meantime here is
> a web reference to "Link the chink" from a Vietnam
> veteran.  Like the term "gook" which referred to the
> Koreans it was a holdover from one war (Korea) to
> another Vietnam:
>
>
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manife
stos/VVAW_Muller.html
>
> When I joined the Army in 1975 the drill sergeants,
> when speaking of the "enemy," still sometimes referred
> to "Luke the Gook," "Link the Chink," as well as
> "Reuben (the Cuban)."
>
> Mike Davino
>
>
>
> --- Janet Valentine <valent03@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Could you give me a reference for "Luke" and "Linc?"
> >  In all of the Korean
> > War memoirs I've read, and all of the Korean War
> > veterans surveys (collected
> > by the U.S.Army Military History Institute) that
> > I've looked at I've never
> > run across this bit of slang.  A reference could be
> > useful.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Janet
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Davino" <mdavino@yahoo.com>
> > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:05 PM
> > Subject: Re:
> >
> >
> > > During the Korean War the enemy was also called
> > > "Luke."  Luke rhymed nicely with the other word
> > some
> > > people have found offensive.  I have heard Korean
> > War
> > > vets and have read about Korean war soldiers
> > calling
> > > the enemy "Linc" as in "Linc the Chink."
> > >
> > > This link will take you to a photo that was taken
> > in
> > > the vicinity of "Luke's Castle."
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.cypress.cc.ca.us/SocSci/history/lyerby/image/korea/dadatlukescast
> > le.jpg
> > >
> > > Mike Davino
> > >
> > >
> > > --- swan <swan@haysco.net> wrote:
> > > > I think "Stan" sounds more dignified than
> > calling
> > > > them Herman.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Dove
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Davino" <mdavino@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > > Subject: Re:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > During the current war, I hear that our troops
> > > > call
> > > > > the enemy (as well as the local population),
> > > > "Stan."
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Davino
> > > > >
> > > > > --- LACarr@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > In a message dated 8/2/02 9:47:13 PM Eastern
> > > > > > Daylight Time, SDonell73@aol.com
> > > > > > writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Yep. And I was a dogface, Marines were
> > > > > > jarheads, and sailors were
> > > > > > >> swabbies. Civilians may not understand
> > it,
> > > > but
> > > > > > most of said these things
> > > > > > >> lovingly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The uncomplitary terms used in war are
> > carried
> > > > over
> > > > > > to civilian life and
> > > > > > stays with us. Down through the ages in wars
> > > > there
> > > > > > have been and always will
> > > > > > be name created for the enemy.  As was
> > posted
> > > > before
> > > > > > you are not fighting the
> > > > > > dearly beloved North  Koreans. You make up a
> > > > name
> > > > > > and it sticks till the
> > > > > > warriors and their Kids die out. The name
> > are
> > > > meant
> > > > > > to low rate the persons
> > > > > > or persons you are comming against.  It is
> > true
> > > > now
> > > > > > and always will be.  I
> > > > > > would imagine the men in Afganistan have
> > their
> > > > name
> > > > > > for their enemy. Down the
> > > > > > road some milktoast will take exception to
> > what
> > > > they
> > > > > > are being called.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maury
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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