Re: Chosin Few

["J.E. Ballow" <bballow@motion.net>]

Chin Shih Wang Te does not denigrate the First Emperor. Doesn't the title stem from the fact that he was the first emperor of the Chin Dynasty?

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From: ysk

To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:25 AM

Subject: Re: Chosin Few

Right -

 

It reminds me of the case of the "Yellow" Emperor of China.   An American student of the Chinese language erroneously translated "Hwang-je" - The First Emperor.  The Chinese character can mean 'yellow', 'first', etc. depending on the context of its use.   In spite of this fact, some Westerners - Sinophobes - still call 'chin-si-hwang-je" the 'yellow' emperor of China - vs. "The First Emperor of China".  This is their way of denigrating China.

 

Dean Rusk - the dean of America's anti-China lobby - insisted on calling Beijing - "Peiping", a Western colonial term.  That was Rusk's way of showing his contempt for things Chinese.

 

"Sea of Japan" is another example.  Koreans have been calling it the "East Sea" since the days when Japan was inhabited by a bunch of head-hunting samurais. 

 

 

ysk

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Love Shack

To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:50 AM

Subject: Re: Chosin Few

We had to change the name of Peking to Bejine.

I do not understand the the issue either..changing it back to Chanjin or whatever the correct spelling is?

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From: Will Massey

To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu

Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:40 PM

Subject: Re: Chosin Few

Isn't this the same thing as the Sons of Confederate Veterans in the Southern United States arguing that

Bullrun 1 and 2 should be knows as First and Second Manassas (which the South won twice). 

 

Err... except in this case there are South Koreans in the Chosin Few who apparently agree with the name.

http://www.unmck.or.kr/un_english/cyber_affection/war/war_record.html

Korean website explaining everything that's been said so far in English.

No one seems offended.

 

Here is an article in which the Korean times has a non-Korean writer who uses both.

 

http://www.hankooki.com/kt_special/200204/t2002042516534749110.htm

 

 

The Korean Embassy doesn't edit Chosin for Changjin...

umm...

 

http://emb.korea.org/e_news/content.asp?num=643

 

JHK - what are all your reasons why it needs to be changed to Changjin - and are you trying to convince us

or just get our reactions?   I just don't understand why you are trying to change peoples' minds on this issue.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ChosinMead@aol.com

To: KOREAN-WAR-L@raven.cc.ku.edu

Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:53 PM

Subject: Re: Chosin Few

Why would we even consider changing it? I think the suggestion was because it might offend some people, My answer to that is simply, if they get offended TOUGH S--T! That's the name we chose, that's the name we want. That's the name it will remain-live with it! Lee