Re: Shturmovik Il-2 and Il-10

[Joe Brennan <jbren1@optonline.net>]

US planes were credited with 7 Il-10's in the air, all but 1 in the first
couple of days of the war. RN destroyer Comus was attacked and damaged by 2
a/c it id'ed as Il-10's 8/23/50, 1 KIA, retired for Japan at 15kts. Cruisers
USS  Rochester (bomb ricocheted off a/c crane w/o exploding) and HMS Jamaica
(strafing killed one and wounded two) were attacked by what they id'ed as an
Il-10 accompanied by a Yak off Inchon 9/17/50. Jamaica shot down the Il-10.
Only air attacks on UN warships AFAIK.

The USSR captured a large amount of arms from the Japanese in Manchuria. The
Kwantung Army, though "hollow" in real fighting power by Aug 45 had 780k
men. At least one KPA division, the 12th, was standardized on the Japanese
Type 99 rifle at the beginning of the war, and pictures of captured weapons
show Japanese rifles perhaps from other units. Japanese rifles, both Type
38's and 99's were said to be even more common among the wide assortment of
CPV infantry weapons when they first intervened. Would love to know a
reference that deals with that in more detail. NK and or Chinese also said
to have had Japanese Type 88 75mm AA guns and Japanese Army Tachi-type
radars.

Joe
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Subject: Re: Shturmovik Il-2 and Il-10


> So the Il-2 Had the same engine type as the Il-10 or was it a different
design?
> Were the Russian engines a wholey developed Design?
> They seemed to get a HP out of their Engines.
> Better then the Allison until the P63H. Then it was too late.
>
> Were teh Russian design 4 Valve Pent Roof Dual OHC engine like the Merlin
and
> Allison?
> Where can I get information on the Liquid Cooled Engines?.
>
> What development problems did they have?
> Early Allisons had Block Cracking Failures.
> Better metalurgy and crankcase design solved it.
>
> Also the Russians Used Aircooled Radial Engines.
> Were any of these copies from Western Designs?
>
> >From my research the Japanese in WW2 used the Pratt Whitney
> 1820 Twin Wasp with some of their featues to fit on their aircraft.
> The Curtis and Pratt seemed to be used by all the combatants in WW2.
> I know the Finns and think the Russians copied American CW and P&W
> Radial engine technology. Also the Italians and Germans.
>
> However from 1954 to 1955 did Russian update these designs and
> used them in La9/11 and other Russian Trainers.
>
> Did the Italians sell Patents Rights to the Russians?
> Were any Japanese, Italian, Spanish or Chech planes sold to NK?
> Were any used in Korea?
>
> Did Russia provide any captured Japanese weapons to NK?
> Did the Chinese manufacture any of these powerplants themselves?
> Did the Chinese or NK develop any of their own during the Conflicts?
>
> DF
>
>
> AMPSOne@aol.com wrote:
>
> > The Il-2 (and later Il-10) engines IIRC began as Italian Macchi engines
in
> > the 1930s but by the time the 10 went into production had little in
common
> > with them other than the V-12 arrangement.
> >
> > The Il-10 was the ulitmate development of the WWII Soviet "shturmovik"
or
> > assault aviation (e.g. ground attack) aircraft. It was optimized for low
> > altitude performance and carried a gunner and pilot. The pilot had twin
23mm
> > guns which fired a heavier projectile than any of the 20mm guns then in
> > service. They were also the main carrier platform for the original
RS-132
> > series rockets, which were later evolved into the BM-13 "Katyusha"
rockets
> > used by the Soviet Ground Forces.
> >
> > All of the Il-10 units, including the one in the KPAFAC, were designated
as
> > "Shturmovaya" or ground attack and used for that function.
> >
> > Cookie Sewell
> > AMPS
>