OH.. so this is really about LIBERAL
NOT a battle among the Military Elites..BUT LIBERAL
which were not a whole lot in those
days....Strom Thurmon was
I guess the Political Limited War in Europe did not
The Decision to Eliminate the Marines was a battle
between the Military Elites
and where defense resources were going.
A long simmering battle among jealous and power
I believe the DoD, USAF, Marines and CIA were all
designed and formed
around that period. THIS was not caused by LIBERAL Democrats
That is your prejudice...
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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:16
Subject: Re: MacArthur [Was: Slow period
You err in your conclusions about Korea...........Korea was the
first Political Limited War, with the primary mission being to repel the NKPR
from the south. America was indeed unprepared, because the Liberal Democrats
had cut the Military to the bone, even contemplating the ellimination of the
Marine Corps. But if you think the lack of preparedness infected all the US
Armed Forces, study the battles of the understrength Marine Brigade that
landed at Pusan in August of 1950. Thier performance there, and the landing at
Inchon assured that the Marine Corps would remain the nations force in
Love Shack wrote:
I get the feeling the books on MacArthur are gentle on his decisions.
The Dutch during WW2 were in the Pacific area as well.
They seemed better prepared to fight the Japanese then the Americans.
The air combat records show this and that the Dutch fought with Distinction
Reading about their Air Combat leads me to believe that the Americans
ignored provacations by the Japanese.
We were caught on the Ground in the Phillipines.
There was no LOGICAL rotation of aircraft or preparation for an attack.
The one time we were in the air against the Japanese wiped us out
on one large air battle. That is just BAD planning for a Professional
Your opinion to Sandy seems to defend Mac's lack of Readiness.
IMO... he did the same thing in Korea...
YEah, he did some things right
BUT he does not have the combat instincts that were comparable to a Patton
Again we were caught in Korea.....BLINDLY unprepared....
and held to a draw.
Diego earlier discloses that we got our BUTTs kicked in the Air War as well.
All the early books on Korea are crap. I am confused as to what really when
IMO MacArthur made the same structural mistakes he did in WW2
that put us behind the 8-Ball....
Regarding my Vietnam comment .. we made the same structural logic
that got us caught in that war as well.
This is what I am getting out of the new Information on WW2 and Korea.
I side with those that write about what happened that fits the RESULTS.
Thereby adding up what the original Intentions were.
What you REALLY intended is your RESULTS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc James Small" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: MacArthur [Was: Slow period for list]
At 11:38 AM 12/20/02 -0500, Love Shack wrote:
IMHO it sounds like MAC Ghost is with us AGAIN... Sandy : be all
to filled with Bluster. It was strange how the Dutch managed to battle the
Japanese and the USARMY AF Yeah they finally got wiped out but they made
a good accounting of what they had for resources. MAC and the Phillipines
have far more aricraft and resources to defend with. Yet history
FORGIVES MacArthur.. IMO this attitude also prevailed in Vietnam.. You
added up a lot about how we got hit, suposedly by surprise, by the Chinese
Making the Korean war a real "pit" of a fight. Something that could have
been avoided or stopped quickly with some common sense. Then you can
take the MacArthur story, going back further to Anacostia where he wiped
out the WW1 Protesters.
Uh, could you put the above into an intelligible form? When you do, I
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