Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Air War in Korea

["Love Shack" <Home@DanSources.com>]

Yes and the CAT soon became Air America.
Their is lots of stuff on Nationist China/Tiawan and you are correct
Chennault went with General Chang. They had a fairly good airforce
left over from WW2 but was not able to hold of Mao's China.
Mao salvaged some left over British, American and Russian aircraft.
He never used any of them that I know of.

NK airforces had left over Japanese planes and may have had trained Flight
Instructors
remaining from WW2.  There was an airwar of sorts between NK and SK before
we got both our feet in the war.

I believe we gave the SK about 20 P51s.
What I do not understand was that the US ordered the destruction
of 100 P47s that were already in Korea before the conflict began?

Dan



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union
and the Air War in Korea


> Dan,
>
> An excellent question and one I don't have an answer although I do vaguely
> remember reading somewhere that the ChiNats hired Chennault to run their
> flight training program when WWII ended and this was the forerunner to
> Civil Air Transport.  But, as I said, this is only vague memory so could
> easily be wrong.  As for the PLAAF, I can't remember ever seeing anything
> on their pre-KW flight training.
>
> Ed
>
>
> At 11:34 AM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Ed:
> >It is interesting the Russians made similar comments about the Chinese AF
> >during WW2.. Most were not held in high regard especially after Nomonhan
> >1938.
> >Some were competant Chinese pilots that made it through poor
> >Italian Flight Instructor training program. Most just did not last very
> >long.
> >
> >It would be interesting to see who came to China after Chennault to help
the
> >Chinese
> >develop and airforce, other then the Russians.
> >Some of the top German Aces made it to Argentina and Chili.But no other
> >information beyond that.
> >
> >There was a big market for Foreign Flight Instructors and wonder who
> >the Chinese and Koreans employed, hired, kidnaped, rented to develop
their
> >Airforces?
> >Does anyone have any information on this?
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Brennan" <jbren1@optonline.net>
> >To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:11 AM
> >Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet
Union
> >and the Air War in Korea
> >
> >
> > > I guess it goes without saying to those who've read it, but that's
really
> > > too bad a reviewer would distort the theme of a scholarly, sober and
> > > objective book like Red Wings. I know Cookie helped out Xiaoming Zhang
> >with
> > > info and I've corresponded with him asking questions and we can
probably
> > > agree what comes across in person is the same style as the book, he's
a
> > > gentlemanly scholar.
> > >
> > > I really recommend it but it's not about "coverups" after "hundreds of
> > > planes were shot down in flames" but rather an objective attempt to
bring
> > > into focus, with exhaustive research but ultimately limited available
> > > information, the real role of the PLAAF in the KW. This was indeed
> > > previously obscured, first by older lower classification level US
accounts
> > > characterizing the MiG's as Chinese generally, and then also later by
> > > Russian veteran accounts that tend to belittle the Chinese and North
> >Korean
> > > air efforts IMO.
> > >
> > > Dr. Zhang is also scrupulously fair I think in dealing with
conflicting
> > > accounts among participants, rather than presenting "shocking
revelations"
> > > based on one side's more recently published. but not necessarily
remotely
> > > realistic, claims. He simply states where Chinsese or Russian claims
can't
> > > be substantiated (and they generally can't be) in declassified US
records
> > > rather than falling into that bad old trap of theorizing who's "lying"
> >based
> > > on preconception and without any particular evidence.
> > >
> > > Good book, stupid review.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
> > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet
Union
> > > and the Air War in Korea
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 12:29 PM 6/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >http://www.washtimes.com/books/20030607-102038-6034r.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >How the great powers flew over Korea
> > > > >By Joseph C. Goulden
> > > > >THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> > > > >Published June 8, 2003
> > > >
> > > > Oh boy!  I can see Cookie and few others on this list sharpening
their
> > > > knives. <LOL>
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > Ed Evanhoe, PO Box 916, Antlers, OK, 74523-0916
> > > > Life Member: Special Forces & Special Operations Associations
> > > > Author:  DARKMOON:  Eighth Army Special Operations in the Korean War
> > > >
> > >
>
> Ed Evanhoe, PO Box 916, Antlers, OK, 74523-0916
> Life Member: Special Forces & Special Operations Associations
> Author:  DARKMOON:  Eighth Army Special Operations in the Korean War
>