Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...

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Cookie:
The information was in fact 200 P47s were in Korea.
I got the information reading a book at Borders on the P47
stating how good a ground attack AC it was, especially compared to the Mustang.

I think they were parked there after WW2 originally for the
invasion of Japan.  They just happened to end up in Korea.
There was some kind of internal military flap an they were ordered destroyed.
This was not out of line as a lot of brand new war materiel was dumped into the sea.

I will locate and get the book.

Dan

AMPSOne@aol.com wrote:

> After reading the review, I have to agree with Joe. Mr. Goulden should have
> been more careful in his wording.
>
> As Joe, Joe Bermudez, and a number of other serious students of history can
> attest, there was not a peep out of the Soviets until the USSR began to
> collapse in 1990. The first one out of the gate (right before he died) was Georgiy
> Lobov, who commanded the 64th IAD from 1951-1952.
>
> After that, a number of other books came out, some objective in their
> reporting (the Naboka book simply lists the after-action reports from the pilots) and
> some decidedly partisan (the Seidov/German one and a couple of others). As
> Zhaoming found out, it's not a simple thing to sort out the "who shot John?" of
> the war.
>
> Case in point: Soviet aces. Depending upon which source one chooses, one can
> find 51 aces listed in official Soviet era documents. But only 32  can be
> listed based on their claims when matched against the "1059" document they
> provided DPMO (and the same liot which I supplied to Zhaoming). However, only 4
> remain when the unsubstantiated claims are eliminated. The top ranking one is still
> Nikolay Sutyagin, but only 7 claims can be matched to confirmed US losses by
> day/date/type vice the 21 he is "officially" credited with by the Soviets.
>
> Some people want to believe the US LIED (capital letters intended) and that
> nothing we claimed was correct. Some simply believe the Soviets -- I still have
> a lot of exchanges with former group member Diego Zampini about losses and
> claims.
>
> Some problems arise as the writers can't find good sources. For example,
> there is a history out now on the ROKAF and lists all of their pilot losses and
> most of their aircraft losses at least by month. They didn't get the F-51s until
> August 1950 and then most of them were flown by USAF instructors led by Major
> Dean Hess (as in "Battle Hymn").
>
> Others are pure speculation. Dan, no offense, but you seem to have some of
> the worst or most extreme sources for some of the claims you post here, such as
> the item on the P-47s in Korea. Also the PLAAF and the KPAFAC (its formal name
> as transliterated -- Korean Peoples Armed Forces Air Corps) had basically
> bupkus until the Soviets gave them aircraft; a handful of leftover Japanese
> biplane trainers does not make an air force. The PLAAF has pretty good basic
> histories available, and Zhaoming used them in his book. The KPAFAC has very little,
> most of which is totally unreliable unless you believe the Tooth Fairy is
> really the Easter Bunny in disguise.
>
> The Truth is Out There -- the "X-Files" had that part right at least. Problem
> is finding it, and I give Zhaoming credit for trying to get his arms around
> it.
>
> Cookie Sewell
> AMPS