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Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Air...



Dear Dan,
 
The Soviet VNOS was very adept at listening in on and identifying foreign flyers by their call-signs. Quite a few Luftwaffe pilots learned to their chagrin that this could be fatal if not corrected regularly as was instructed from above. A case in point was Willi Batz almost being shot down for ignoring this warning.
 
Harold
 
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From: Love Shack
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Air...

One of the Russian tricks in WW2 was to tail a specific German Ace.
From the time he took off from his base to the time he reached
his combat area he was watched.

Many German Aces had Bounty's on their head to shootdown.
So detailed traps were set up to kill them,
I wonder if the Russians employed that level of Trap for the US Pilots in Korea?

Dan Fahey
 
 

AMPSOne@aol.com wrote:

Harold,

Thanks for the kind reply.

There were several big problems on claims in Korea that the Soviets faced.

First off, with a "smoking hole in the ground" first one to the wreck got to claim it. Ergo, the pilots found themselves competing with ZA (AAA) units to get there to "count coup" and claim the kill. Many wrecks appear to have been double- or even triple- claimed; one group got the aircraft serial number, one the engine, and one another component from what they listed in the "1059" document.

Second, there was a bonus for each aircraft shot down. In order to cut costs, many wily commanders would count one aircraft as a group kill, all of them get shared credit, and nobody has to get any money. But it winds up later with some historians on their side counting most "group" kills as "individual" kills. The VPAF appears to be guilty of that during the Vietnam air war.

Third, many claims were made based on "Military Science". Soviet air military scientists figured no fighter/ground attack aircraft could stand up to more than 10 23mm hits or 2 37mm ones. Ergo, if the gun camera film showed it and the victim wandered out over the Gulf of Korea, some commanders counted them as kills, and others did not.

BUT the pilot had to show evidence of some sort; the number one greatest "theft" of the war was Fedorets' kill over Joseph McConnell, which the USAF would not acknowledge as a kill for many years (and some historians still do not) and for which Fedorets got no credit from the Soviets, as his MiG was shot down and ergo no film of the incident.

By the way, your book project sounds interesting. I sort of figured over the years that if half of the 29.000 Bf109 fighters built were lost in ground accidents the Germans couldn't all be ace pilots! 8-)

Cookie Sewell
AMPS