Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...

[robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>]

You are referring to 1953, I clearly stated 1951.  Incidentally, ridicule is for
2nd graders. I'm not competing in an english or typing contest, only trying to
contribute to a clearer understanding of events in which I had a small, but to
me significant part.
Incidentally, you would know who Malik was if you had studied the war.Do your
homework.
While your friend was doing his training flights readying for Korea, as a squad
leader on hill 119, I was trying to keep my squad alive on a shell torn
battlefield. We held the hill when the ceasefire officially ended the shooting
war, July 27, fifty years ago.
Another small point. You proffer that the Soviets were concerned, and that
Stalin might lose his reign of power. Stalin had already lost his power.......he
died in March of 1953.

Love Shack wrote:

> Who is Malik?
> During the "piece talks" (as in pieces)
> The USA was busy moving equipment to Korea also.
> One of my business friends was an F86 D(Dog) pilot with the USAF
> He had as many as 3 training flights a day readying for Korea.
>
> They were tanked up and ready to fly out when the Treaty was signed.
> The next week completely disbanded.
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert guertin" <wanaki@infionline.net>
> To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union
> and the Ai...
>
> > What the Chinese were seeking in 1951, when they implored Malik to
> intervene on
> > their behalf at the UN and propose a temporary cessation of hostilities,
> and the
> > institution of a negotiation toward an end of hostilities, was an
> opportunity to
> > avoid defeat, which was sure to ensue if the current attack by the UN
> Forces
> > Continued. The Chinese and NK had shot their bolt and they knew it. They
> then
> > used the "peace talks", (lower case used on purpose) to re-supply,
> re-inforce
> > and entrench, in direct violation of the initial agreement. When Mao's son
> was
> > killed shortly after hostilities resumed in '51, Mao vowed to "drive the
> UN into
> > the sea".
> > I would strongly argue they did not get what they wanted, which was a
> unified
> > Korea as Communist, and the UN out of Korea. That the Chinese intervened
> with an
> > undeclared war against the UN to secure their homeland is a myth.
> >
> > > The Chinese were tough at the negotiating table.
> > > But seems they got what they were seeking
> > > That we not attack on the mainland.
> > >
> > > The Russians wanted to recover their lost investment
> > > but realized that a conflict with UN forces in Europe
> > > would force the country into Bankruptsy and Stalin would definitely lose
> his
> > > reign on power.
> > >
> > > I do not know how much the US and Allies spent
> > > but it must have been a lot larger then NK, China and Russia.
> > >
> > > Again another war of attrition.
> > > DF
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
> > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet
> Union
> > > and the Ai...
> > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > >  >>At 09:41 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >OK. were they the Chinese doing it or the Koreans?
> > > > >Did the Koreans fight with the Chinese or did they fight as seperate
> > > unit?
> > > > >I am not trying to create and argument. I am sure they could have
> this.
> > > <<
> > > >
> > > > As I understand it North Korea had responsibility for POWs and ran the
> > > > camps until the cease-fire talks began in the summer of '51, at which
> > > point
> > > > the Chinese realized the value POW had as a bargaining chip.
> Reportedly
> > > > the North Koreans didn't want to give up control so the Chinese moved
> in
> > > > and took over the camps by force.  This caused a flap but North Korea
> had
> > > > to go along since they were getting the vast majority of food,
> > > ammunitions,
> > > > weapons, etc, from the Chinese so couldn't afford for the Chinese to
> cut
> > > > them off.   North Korean treatment of POW's was horrific but improved
> > > after
> > > > the Chinese took over.
> > > >
> > > > (This information from Msg <Rtd> Tim Casey, who keeps the records for
> the
> > > > Korean War POW Association.)
> > > >
> > > > > >>I am following up on a comment from an earlier posting of a person
> in
> > > > > combat against the Chinese. After the battle the Chinese allowed the
> > > > > Americans to pick up and treat the wounded and care for the dead. <<
> > > >
> > > > This happened on several occasions, as did the Chinese releasing POW's
> and
> > > > allowing them to cross back to UN lines.  In one instance the Chinese
> took
> > > > a group of Marine and Army POW's captured at the Chosen Reservoir,
> > > escorted
> > > > them back to the front and then abandoned them as the front moved
> > > > north.  This group was recovered by a tank-infantry task force from
> the
> > > 7th
> > > > Infantry Division.  (The Marines classified this as an "escape" but
> the
> > > > Army classified it as a "release.)
> > > >
> > > > > >>He followed up that this would not have happened with the NK and
> that
> > > the
> > > > >Chinese were a more disciplined army. <<
> > > >
> > > > Agree.
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> >