Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...

[John C Cheek <johncheek1@juno.com>]

Robert:
Was Hill 119 located in the Nevada Complex?
John



On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:06:35 -0500 robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>
writes:
> You are referring to 1953, I clearly stated 1951.  Incidentally, 
> ridicule is for
> 2nd graders. I'm not competing in an english or typing contest, only 
> trying to
> contribute to a clearer understanding of events in which I had a 
> small, but to
> me significant part.
> Incidentally, you would know who Malik was if you had studied the 
> war.Do your
> homework.
> While your friend was doing his training flights readying for Korea, 
> as a squad
> leader on hill 119, I was trying to keep my squad alive on a shell 
> torn
> battlefield. We held the hill when the ceasefire officially ended 
> the shooting
> war, July 27, fifty years ago.
> Another small point. You proffer that the Soviets were concerned, 
> and that
> Stalin might lose his reign of power. Stalin had already lost his 
> power.......he
> died in March of 1953.
> 
> Love Shack wrote:
> 
> > Who is Malik?
> > During the "piece talks" (as in pieces)
> > The USA was busy moving equipment to Korea also.
> > One of my business friends was an F86 D(Dog) pilot with the USAF
> > He had as many as 3 training flights a day readying for Korea.
> >
> > They were tanked up and ready to fly out when the Treaty was 
> signed.
> > The next week completely disbanded.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "robert guertin" <wanaki@infionline.net>
> > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the 
> Soviet Union
> > and the Ai...
> >
> > > What the Chinese were seeking in 1951, when they implored Malik 
> to
> > intervene on
> > > their behalf at the UN and propose a temporary cessation of 
> hostilities,
> > and the
> > > institution of a negotiation toward an end of hostilities, was 
> an
> > opportunity to
> > > avoid defeat, which was sure to ensue if the current attack by 
> the UN
> > Forces
> > > Continued. The Chinese and NK had shot their bolt and they knew 
> it. They
> > then
> > > used the "peace talks", (lower case used on purpose) to 
> re-supply,
> > re-inforce
> > > and entrench, in direct violation of the initial agreement. When 
> Mao's son
> > was
> > > killed shortly after hostilities resumed in '51, Mao vowed to 
> "drive the
> > UN into
> > > the sea".
> > > I would strongly argue they did not get what they wanted, which 
> was a
> > unified
> > > Korea as Communist, and the UN out of Korea. That the Chinese 
> intervened
> > with an
> > > undeclared war against the UN to secure their homeland is a 
> myth.
> > >
> > > > The Chinese were tough at the negotiating table.
> > > > But seems they got what they were seeking
> > > > That we not attack on the mainland.
> > > >
> > > > The Russians wanted to recover their lost investment
> > > > but realized that a conflict with UN forces in Europe
> > > > would force the country into Bankruptsy and Stalin would 
> definitely lose
> > his
> > > > reign on power.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know how much the US and Allies spent
> > > > but it must have been a lot larger then NK, China and Russia.
> > > >
> > > > Again another war of attrition.
> > > > DF
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
> > > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the 
> Soviet
> > Union
> > > > and the Ai...
> > > >
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > >  >>At 09:41 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > >OK. were they the Chinese doing it or the Koreans?
> > > > > >Did the Koreans fight with the Chinese or did they fight as 
> seperate
> > > > unit?
> > > > > >I am not trying to create and argument. I am sure they 
> could have
> > this.
> > > > <<
> > > > >
> > > > > As I understand it North Korea had responsibility for POWs 
> and ran the
> > > > > camps until the cease-fire talks began in the summer of '51, 
> at which
> > > > point
> > > > > the Chinese realized the value POW had as a bargaining 
> chip.
> > Reportedly
> > > > > the North Koreans didn't want to give up control so the 
> Chinese moved
> > in
> > > > > and took over the camps by force.  This caused a flap but 
> North Korea
> > had
> > > > > to go along since they were getting the vast majority of 
> food,
> > > > ammunitions,
> > > > > weapons, etc, from the Chinese so couldn't afford for the 
> Chinese to
> > cut
> > > > > them off.   North Korean treatment of POW's was horrific but 
> improved
> > > > after
> > > > > the Chinese took over.
> > > > >
> > > > > (This information from Msg <Rtd> Tim Casey, who keeps the 
> records for
> > the
> > > > > Korean War POW Association.)
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>I am following up on a comment from an earlier posting 
> of a person
> > in
> > > > > > combat against the Chinese. After the battle the Chinese 
> allowed the
> > > > > > Americans to pick up and treat the wounded and care for 
> the dead. <<
> > > > >
> > > > > This happened on several occasions, as did the Chinese 
> releasing POW's
> > and
> > > > > allowing them to cross back to UN lines.  In one instance 
> the Chinese
> > took
> > > > > a group of Marine and Army POW's captured at the Chosen 
> Reservoir,
> > > > escorted
> > > > > them back to the front and then abandoned them as the front 
> moved
> > > > > north.  This group was recovered by a tank-infantry task 
> force from
> > the
> > > > 7th
> > > > > Infantry Division.  (The Marines classified this as an 
> "escape" but
> > the
> > > > > Army classified it as a "release.)
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>He followed up that this would not have happened with 
> the NK and
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > >Chinese were a more disciplined army. <<
> > > > >
> > > > > Agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > >
> 
> 
> 


        Stay safe, buddy.
        J. Charles Cheek
        Author of "Stay Safe, Buddy"
        A Novel about Humor & Horror during the Korean War
        www.authorsden.com/jcharlescheek