Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...

[robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>]

East of that group of hills near COP Berlin and East Berlin. Another name for
119 was Boulder City.

John C Cheek wrote:

> Robert:
> Was Hill 119 located in the Nevada Complex?
> John
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:06:35 -0500 robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>
> writes:
> > You are referring to 1953, I clearly stated 1951.  Incidentally,
> > ridicule is for
> > 2nd graders. I'm not competing in an english or typing contest, only
> > trying to
> > contribute to a clearer understanding of events in which I had a
> > small, but to
> > me significant part.
> > Incidentally, you would know who Malik was if you had studied the
> > war.Do your
> > homework.
> > While your friend was doing his training flights readying for Korea,
> > as a squad
> > leader on hill 119, I was trying to keep my squad alive on a shell
> > torn
> > battlefield. We held the hill when the ceasefire officially ended
> > the shooting
> > war, July 27, fifty years ago.
> > Another small point. You proffer that the Soviets were concerned,
> > and that
> > Stalin might lose his reign of power. Stalin had already lost his
> > power.......he
> > died in March of 1953.
> >
> > Love Shack wrote:
> >
> > > Who is Malik?
> > > During the "piece talks" (as in pieces)
> > > The USA was busy moving equipment to Korea also.
> > > One of my business friends was an F86 D(Dog) pilot with the USAF
> > > He had as many as 3 training flights a day readying for Korea.
> > >
> > > They were tanked up and ready to fly out when the Treaty was
> > signed.
> > > The next week completely disbanded.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "robert guertin" <wanaki@infionline.net>
> > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the
> > Soviet Union
> > > and the Ai...
> > >
> > > > What the Chinese were seeking in 1951, when they implored Malik
> > to
> > > intervene on
> > > > their behalf at the UN and propose a temporary cessation of
> > hostilities,
> > > and the
> > > > institution of a negotiation toward an end of hostilities, was
> > an
> > > opportunity to
> > > > avoid defeat, which was sure to ensue if the current attack by
> > the UN
> > > Forces
> > > > Continued. The Chinese and NK had shot their bolt and they knew
> > it. They
> > > then
> > > > used the "peace talks", (lower case used on purpose) to
> > re-supply,
> > > re-inforce
> > > > and entrench, in direct violation of the initial agreement. When
> > Mao's son
> > > was
> > > > killed shortly after hostilities resumed in '51, Mao vowed to
> > "drive the
> > > UN into
> > > > the sea".
> > > > I would strongly argue they did not get what they wanted, which
> > was a
> > > unified
> > > > Korea as Communist, and the UN out of Korea. That the Chinese
> > intervened
> > > with an
> > > > undeclared war against the UN to secure their homeland is a
> > myth.
> > > >
> > > > > The Chinese were tough at the negotiating table.
> > > > > But seems they got what they were seeking
> > > > > That we not attack on the mainland.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Russians wanted to recover their lost investment
> > > > > but realized that a conflict with UN forces in Europe
> > > > > would force the country into Bankruptsy and Stalin would
> > definitely lose
> > > his
> > > > > reign on power.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know how much the US and Allies spent
> > > > > but it must have been a lot larger then NK, China and Russia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again another war of attrition.
> > > > > DF
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
> > > > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the
> > Soviet
> > > Union
> > > > > and the Ai...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  >>At 09:41 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > > >OK. were they the Chinese doing it or the Koreans?
> > > > > > >Did the Koreans fight with the Chinese or did they fight as
> > seperate
> > > > > unit?
> > > > > > >I am not trying to create and argument. I am sure they
> > could have
> > > this.
> > > > > <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I understand it North Korea had responsibility for POWs
> > and ran the
> > > > > > camps until the cease-fire talks began in the summer of '51,
> > at which
> > > > > point
> > > > > > the Chinese realized the value POW had as a bargaining
> > chip.
> > > Reportedly
> > > > > > the North Koreans didn't want to give up control so the
> > Chinese moved
> > > in
> > > > > > and took over the camps by force.  This caused a flap but
> > North Korea
> > > had
> > > > > > to go along since they were getting the vast majority of
> > food,
> > > > > ammunitions,
> > > > > > weapons, etc, from the Chinese so couldn't afford for the
> > Chinese to
> > > cut
> > > > > > them off.   North Korean treatment of POW's was horrific but
> > improved
> > > > > after
> > > > > > the Chinese took over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (This information from Msg <Rtd> Tim Casey, who keeps the
> > records for
> > > the
> > > > > > Korean War POW Association.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>I am following up on a comment from an earlier posting
> > of a person
> > > in
> > > > > > > combat against the Chinese. After the battle the Chinese
> > allowed the
> > > > > > > Americans to pick up and treat the wounded and care for
> > the dead. <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This happened on several occasions, as did the Chinese
> > releasing POW's
> > > and
> > > > > > allowing them to cross back to UN lines.  In one instance
> > the Chinese
> > > took
> > > > > > a group of Marine and Army POW's captured at the Chosen
> > Reservoir,
> > > > > escorted
> > > > > > them back to the front and then abandoned them as the front
> > moved
> > > > > > north.  This group was recovered by a tank-infantry task
> > force from
> > > the
> > > > > 7th
> > > > > > Infantry Division.  (The Marines classified this as an
> > "escape" but
> > > the
> > > > > > Army classified it as a "release.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>He followed up that this would not have happened with
> > the NK and
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >Chinese were a more disciplined army. <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agree.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>         Stay safe, buddy.
>         J. Charles Cheek
>         Author of "Stay Safe, Buddy"
>         A Novel about Humor & Horror during the Korean War
>         www.authorsden.com/jcharlescheek