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Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...

piece, peace - are you guys arguing agin? Bickering? I'm headed to Alexandria VA to meet what is left of my brother's Division; 21st Infrantry Div., Gimlets, most of them killed in action. I hope I can keep myself from going to pieces, or is that peaces?
Cheers! and I'd think you all had enough of fighting, you are on the same side after all.
Don Carter's little sister 24D 21st 3rd Co. M, KIA 7/12/50


From: robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>
Reply-To: KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu
To: KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu
Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the Soviet Union and the Ai...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:46:51 -0500

East of that group of hills near COP Berlin and East Berlin. Another name for
119 was Boulder City.

John C Cheek wrote:

> Robert:
> Was Hill 119 located in the Nevada Complex?
> John
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:06:35 -0500 robert guertin <wanaki@infionline.net>
> writes:
> > You are referring to 1953, I clearly stated 1951. Incidentally,
> > ridicule is for
> > 2nd graders. I'm not competing in an english or typing contest, only
> > trying to
> > contribute to a clearer understanding of events in which I had a
> > small, but to
> > me significant part.
> > Incidentally, you would know who Malik was if you had studied the
> > war.Do your
> > homework.
> > While your friend was doing his training flights readying for Korea,
> > as a squad
> > leader on hill 119, I was trying to keep my squad alive on a shell
> > torn
> > battlefield. We held the hill when the ceasefire officially ended
> > the shooting
> > war, July 27, fifty years ago.
> > Another small point. You proffer that the Soviets were concerned,
> > and that
> > Stalin might lose his reign of power. Stalin had already lost his
> > power.......he
> > died in March of 1953.
> >
> > Love Shack wrote:
> >
> > > Who is Malik?
> > > During the "piece talks" (as in pieces)
> > > The USA was busy moving equipment to Korea also.
> > > One of my business friends was an F86 D(Dog) pilot with the USAF
> > > He had as many as 3 training flights a day readying for Korea.
> > >
> > > They were tanked up and ready to fly out when the Treaty was
> > signed.
> > > The next week completely disbanded.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "robert guertin" <wanaki@infionline.net>
> > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the
> > Soviet Union
> > > and the Ai...
> > >
> > > > What the Chinese were seeking in 1951, when they implored Malik
> > to
> > > intervene on
> > > > their behalf at the UN and propose a temporary cessation of
> > hostilities,
> > > and the
> > > > institution of a negotiation toward an end of hostilities, was
> > an
> > > opportunity to
> > > > avoid defeat, which was sure to ensue if the current attack by
> > the UN
> > > Forces
> > > > Continued. The Chinese and NK had shot their bolt and they knew
> > it. They
> > > then
> > > > used the "peace talks", (lower case used on purpose) to
> > re-supply,
> > > re-inforce
> > > > and entrench, in direct violation of the initial agreement. When
> > Mao's son
> > > was
> > > > killed shortly after hostilities resumed in '51, Mao vowed to
> > "drive the
> > > UN into
> > > > the sea".
> > > > I would strongly argue they did not get what they wanted, which
> > was a
> > > unified
> > > > Korea as Communist, and the UN out of Korea. That the Chinese
> > intervened
> > > with an
> > > > undeclared war against the UN to secure their homeland is a
> > myth.
> > > >
> > > > > The Chinese were tough at the negotiating table.
> > > > > But seems they got what they were seeking
> > > > > That we not attack on the mainland.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Russians wanted to recover their lost investment
> > > > > but realized that a conflict with UN forces in Europe
> > > > > would force the country into Bankruptsy and Stalin would
> > definitely lose
> > > his
> > > > > reign on power.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know how much the US and Allies spent
> > > > > but it must have been a lot larger then NK, China and Russia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again another war of attrition.
> > > > > DF
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ed Evanhoe" <evanhoe@arbuckleonline.com>
> > > > > To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Book review: Red Wings Over the Yalu: China, the
> > Soviet
> > > Union
> > > > > and the Ai...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>At 09:41 PM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > > >OK. were they the Chinese doing it or the Koreans?
> > > > > > >Did the Koreans fight with the Chinese or did they fight as
> > seperate
> > > > > unit?
> > > > > > >I am not trying to create and argument. I am sure they
> > could have
> > > this.
> > > > > <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I understand it North Korea had responsibility for POWs
> > and ran the
> > > > > > camps until the cease-fire talks began in the summer of '51,
> > at which
> > > > > point
> > > > > > the Chinese realized the value POW had as a bargaining
> > chip.
> > > Reportedly
> > > > > > the North Koreans didn't want to give up control so the
> > Chinese moved
> > > in
> > > > > > and took over the camps by force. This caused a flap but
> > North Korea
> > > had
> > > > > > to go along since they were getting the vast majority of
> > food,
> > > > > ammunitions,
> > > > > > weapons, etc, from the Chinese so couldn't afford for the
> > Chinese to
> > > cut
> > > > > > them off. North Korean treatment of POW's was horrific but
> > improved
> > > > > after
> > > > > > the Chinese took over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (This information from Msg <Rtd> Tim Casey, who keeps the
> > records for
> > > the
> > > > > > Korean War POW Association.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>I am following up on a comment from an earlier posting
> > of a person
> > > in
> > > > > > > combat against the Chinese. After the battle the Chinese
> > allowed the
> > > > > > > Americans to pick up and treat the wounded and care for
> > the dead. <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This happened on several occasions, as did the Chinese
> > releasing POW's
> > > and
> > > > > > allowing them to cross back to UN lines. In one instance
> > the Chinese
> > > took
> > > > > > a group of Marine and Army POW's captured at the Chosen
> > Reservoir,
> > > > > escorted
> > > > > > them back to the front and then abandoned them as the front
> > moved
> > > > > > north. This group was recovered by a tank-infantry task
> > force from
> > > the
> > > > > 7th
> > > > > > Infantry Division. (The Marines classified this as an
> > "escape" but
> > > the
> > > > > > Army classified it as a "release.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>He followed up that this would not have happened with
> > the NK and
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >Chinese were a more disciplined army. <<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agree.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Stay safe, buddy.
> J. Charles Cheek
> Author of "Stay Safe, Buddy"
> A Novel about Humor & Horror during the Korean War
> www.authorsden.com/jcharlescheek

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