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Re: What is "MiG Alley"?

Dan,
         "The thunderbolt could also drop like a rock,which was an advantage in air battle.
          Luftwaffe pilots would find out that trying to break-off combat and the drive a way was suicidal tactic when dealing with the thunderbolt.
           The P47 could easily reach 885 KPH(550 MPH) in a dive,and some pilots claimed it could even break the sound barrier,but it appears that the airspeed indicator simply went crazy at high speed."
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-47_Thunderbolt
                        
             I have a WW2 P-47 pilot living  here a few units from me,he served in the Italy campaign MTO 1944-1945 with the 12th  AAF 27th Bomb group,523d Fighter Squadron,100 missions ,and what we are reading here is to his discussions with me on the good side of the truth.
              Never strafe a train with a P-51.
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: Love Shack
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: What is "MiG Alley"?

That P47 never got near the 760 mph and lived.
It had a tendancy to tuck under and no matter of strength could put it out.
The same thing happened with the Lightning, Corsair and other AC where
Control Lock occurred over the rear stabilizer. Several WW2 Fighter AC
sucessfully exceeded .80 mach(608mph),  but ath was under 20k, carefully.
 
For comparison, today best of the souped up WW2 Reno Racers
are near .75mach (570+mph) in level flight.
 
One Korean Corsair Pilot broke his hip in the process of not becoming a permanant casualty.
Yet the plane was written of as permanently bent. (This is a fact.)
 
One reported characteristic of the F86A was when they got bent a little in
High speed Dogfights pilots reported that the AC was a little faster.
(I do not know if this is a fact.)
 
Dan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: What is "MiG Alley"?

Les,

First supersonic flight varies, with at least one P-47 pilot claiming he went supersonic in a dogfight in 1945.

Big problem was that the aircraft COULD go supersonic in a shallow dive but there was a loss of control with the early F-86 (the A used elevators, but the E added a flying tail; that was the result of the X-1 experiments and recommendation from Chuck Yeager).

The MiG-15 would literally disintegrate if it went supersonic, and both the MiG-15 and MiG-15bis had a sensor to pop the airbrakes when it got too close to its limits.

Remember "everything" in the early 1950s had to be faster and better, like the tail fins on a '59 Chevy!

Cookie