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There was also a massive WW2 dept.
So dumping war material was an answer to
restocking things we
would not use or could not sell.
Most of our planes were obsolete after
WW2.
I have rebuilt cars and aircraft sitting
for 5 years.
From my experience making them combat ready is a
large job.
Regarding Trumans HATE to me does not answer the
questions.
I have the dictionary version of the word,
too.
The word Hate does not explain the situations and
the
decisions that had to be made at that
time.
I will never accept an answer just because someone
HATED something or
it was Stupid.
These word have never explained rationale for any
decision.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:36
PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines:
TRUMAN refered to something that caused strong dislike or annoyance.
HATEFUL:
hate·ful (h!tÆfÃl), adj.
1. arousing hate or deserving to be hated: the hateful oppression of
dictators.
2. unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful: She found her domestic
chores hateful.
3. full of or expressing hate; malignant; malevolent: a hateful
denunciatory speech.
[1300–50; ME; see HATE, -FUL]
—hate Æful·ly, adv.
—hate Æful·ness, n.
—Syn. 1. abominable, execrable, abhorrent, repugnant; invidious,
loathsome. HATEFUL, OBNOXIOUS, ODIOUS, OFFENSIVE
refer to something that causes strong dislike or annoyance.
HATEFUL implies actually causing hatred or extremely strong
dislike: The sight of him is hateful to me. OBNOXIOUS
emphasizes causing annoyance or discomfort by objectionable qualities: His
persistence made him seem obnoxious. His piggish manners made him obnoxious to
his companions. ODIOUS emphasizes the disagreeable or
displeasing: an odious little man; odious servility.
OFFENSIVE emphasizes the distaste and resentment caused
by something that may be either displeasing or insulting: an offensive
odor, remark.
—Ant. 1. likable, agreeable; commendable, praiseworthy.
Truman's action of dumping most "left-over" military equipment--billions of
dollars worth, to be sure!--into the oceans around the world right after the
2nd WW could alone be easily seen as a HATEFUL decision as even children
I was in the 7th grade of grade school with thought "how stupid can you be!"
when they saw such terrible waste. But even we kids knew it was done to
protect cronies and pals to get into new businesses with a wide open door and
all the loans they wanted. It was in all the newspapers, and our parents
thought Truman was insane. As far as I'm concerned, Truman damn
near "cultivated all our hangmen" by destroying so impulsively and
stupidly the vast war material America had beaten the worst world-wide
historical tyrants with. Of course, no KW veteran will ever forget the
effort of all our military people! I only hope all the young people
coming up re-read the history of the Korean "Police Action." They can
judge Truman's good and bad points from a different perspective but those
points will always exist.
Blake Mooney
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:03
PM
Subject: Truman and the Marines
In a private letter distributed publicly by the recipient, a
congressman, Truman accused the Marines of running a "propaganda machine
almost as good as Stalin's," a remark for which he had to publicly grovel in
apology. And there were suggestions at the time, an era of drastic
military cost-cutting, that the Marines were redundant and should be
cut.
But what are the "hateful" remarks you are
referring to?
--Mandy Katz
Love Shack wrote:
There is more to more to Trumans distaste of
the Marine then is being told.
When financial resources were low for
military budgets there was a lot of harsh
words going on. Especially the
arbitrage and asset stripping that was going on with
the large companies. It ws brutal and
political. Very few survived today intact.
Such as GM,
Hughes, Ford, Boeing, IBM...and a few others.
During his tenure the DoD, CIA and USAF were
established.
All were new Government
Departments.
(BTW are there any others I missed that were
started).
I am interested in the intent of Truman
ire toward the Marines.
Hate is not a reason. Something drove
the decision
as there were many who were trying to disolve
the Marines.
Not to mention the ire of those who tried to
prevent the USAF from forming.
Dan Fahey
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject:
Re: Kunsan and Inchon landings, Sept 12 & 15, 1950
Don;
I remember those remarks.....Truman always
denigrated the Corps, and hated Army West Pointers almost as much, since
he had failed to get into the Point. As a Marine in the First Battalion,
we sent a letter requesting Police Badges and whistles since Truman
insisted on calling Korea a Police Action.
Thank you for your
service.
DGill11331@aol.com wrote:
In a message
dated 9/8/2003 10:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wanaki@infionline.net
writes:
The Inchon Landing
secured the future of the Marine Corps, which had been
considered no longer viable and
facing disbanding and integration into the
other branches. As a consequence of the
landing and the battle at Chosin
Reservoir, a public law was passed by both
houses, declaring that this Nation
would always maintain a Marine Corps of
three divisions and attached Air Wings.
Ed Evanhoe wrote:
>We're coming up on the 53rd
anniversary of landing at Kunsan and the Inchon
>landing. Anyone have
any thoughts of these events?
>
>Ed
Korea had two forgotten wars. The
main one was the war itself the second was a war that Truman leveled
against the Marine Corps in the early part of the war. Many people
forget or just don' t know that the 5th Marine Brigade was already
engaged at the Pusan Perimeter, the 1st Marine Regiment was in the
middle of the Pacific Ocean on its way to the Inchon Landing and the
7th Marine Regiment was on it way from Europe and other places to join
the 5th and 1st Marines in Korea when President Truman unleashed a
brutal verbal assault against the integrity of the Marine
Corps.
My company was part of
the 1st Marine Regiment on a ship (US Noble APA-218) on the high seas
on the way to Inchon when Truman made his nasty verbal assault against
the Marine Corps. I heard Truman's remarks first hand because the ship
piped all the news from the States over its PA system. To the Marines
who heard Truman's remarks -- his words had more of a detrimental
effect on their moral than almost anything we faced in Korea. Once a
Truman fan after hearing his remarks I never was a fan of his
again.
Don
Gill
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