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Re: Truman and the Marines: TRUMAN refered to something that caused strong dislike or annoyance.
The power of greed was too much for one man to stop.
Probably one of the reasons Truman did not run for another term.
He did his best. He left while he was still on top.
The economy tanked the next 9 years.
Even Eisenhower expressed the same feeling as Truman about the MIC.
Dan Fahey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gernilee Carter" <gernilee@msn.com>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines: TRUMAN refered to something that caused
strong dislike or annoyance.
Regarding this statement:
But even we kids knew it was done to protect cronies and pals to get into
new businesses with a wide open door and all the loans they wanted. It was
in all the newspapers, and our parents thought Truman was insane.
Am I naive?? I really find it difficult to believe that the President
would do that... destroy equipment to feather the beds of his friends. It
sure goes against everything I've ever heard about Truman too. I have a new
viewpoint of him now, of course, since being on this discussion list. And
that view point is less than good, however to so blatantly, almost like the
dictators, unilaterally destroy military equipment, and the public knew
about it makes no sense in the terms you attribute.
Yes, there seems to be a deeper mystery. But maybe it is just spite...
Think about it. Think about his behavior, his words, his attitudes. It is
not beyond imagination to see him so spiteful.
Gernilee
----Original Message Follows----
From: "rbmooney" <rbmooney@bellsouth.net>
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To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines: TRUMAN refered to something that caused
strong dislike or annoyance.
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:36:59 -0500
HATEFUL:
hate·ful (h!tÆfÃl), adj.
1. arousing hate or deserving to be hated: the hateful oppression of
dictators.
2. unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful: She found her domestic chores
hateful.
3. full of or expressing hate; malignant; malevolent: a hateful denunciatory
speech.
[1300-50; ME; see HATE, -FUL]
-hateÆful·ly, adv.
-hateÆful·ness, n.
-Syn. 1. abominable, execrable, abhorrent, repugnant; invidious, loathsome.
HATEFUL, OBNOXIOUS, ODIOUS, OFFENSIVE refer to something that causes strong
dislike or annoyance. HATEFUL implies actually causing hatred or extremely
strong dislike: The sight of him is hateful to me. OBNOXIOUS emphasizes
causing annoyance or discomfort by objectionable qualities: His persistence
made him seem obnoxious. His piggish manners made him obnoxious to his
companions. ODIOUS emphasizes the disagreeable or displeasing: an odious
little man; odious servility. OFFENSIVE emphasizes the distaste and
resentment caused by something that may be either displeasing or insulting:
an offensive odor, remark.
-Ant. 1. likable, agreeable; commendable, praiseworthy.
Truman's action of dumping most "left-over" military equipment--billions of
dollars worth, to be sure!--into the oceans around the world right after the
2nd WW could alone be easily seen as a HATEFUL decision as even children I
was in the 7th grade of grade school with thought "how stupid can you be!"
when they saw such terrible waste. But even we kids knew it was done to
protect cronies and pals to get into new businesses with a wide open door
and all the loans they wanted. It was in all the newspapers, and our
parents thought Truman was insane. As far as I'm concerned, Truman damn
near "cultivated all our hangmen" by destroying so impulsively and stupidly
the vast war material America had beaten the worst world-wide historical
tyrants with. Of course, no KW veteran will ever forget the effort of all
our military people! I only hope all the young people coming up re-read the
history of the Korean "Police Action." They can judge Truman's good and bad
points from a different perspective but those points will always exist.
Blake Mooney
rbmooney@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Katz
To: KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:03 PM
Subject: Truman and the Marines
In a private letter distributed publicly by the recipient, a congressman,
Truman accused the Marines of running a "propaganda machine almost as good
as Stalin's," a remark for which he had to publicly grovel in apology. And
there were suggestions at the time, an era of drastic military cost-cutting,
that the Marines were redundant and should be cut.
But what are the "hateful" remarks you are referring to?
--Mandy Katz
Love Shack wrote:
There is more to more to Trumans distaste of the Marine then is being
told.
When financial resources were low for military budgets there was a lot
of harsh
words going on. Especially the arbitrage and asset stripping that was
going on with
the large companies. It ws brutal and political. Very few survived
today intact.
Such as GM, Hughes, Ford, Boeing, IBM...and a few others.
During his tenure the DoD, CIA and USAF were established.
All were new Government Departments.
(BTW are there any others I missed that were started).
I am interested in the intent of Truman ire toward the Marines.
Hate is not a reason. Something drove the decision
as there were many who were trying to disolve the Marines.
Not to mention the ire of those who tried to prevent the USAF from
forming.
Dan Fahey
----- Original Message -----
From: robert guertin
To: KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kunsan and Inchon landings, Sept 12 & 15, 1950
Don;
I remember those remarks.....Truman always denigrated the Corps, and
hated Army West Pointers almost as much, since he had failed to get into the
Point. As a Marine in the First Battalion, we sent a letter requesting
Police Badges and whistles since Truman insisted on calling Korea a Police
Action.
Thank you for your service.
DGill11331@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wanaki@infionline.net writes:
The Inchon Landing secured the future of the Marine Corps, which
had been
considered no longer viable and facing disbanding and integration
into the
other branches. As a consequence of the landing and the battle at
Chosin
Reservoir, a public law was passed by both houses, declaring that
this Nation
would always maintain a Marine Corps of three divisions and
attached Air Wings.
Ed Evanhoe wrote:
>We're coming up on the 53rd anniversary of landing at Kunsan and
the Inchon
>landing. Anyone have any thoughts of these events?
>
>Ed
Korea had two forgotten wars. The main one was the war itself the
second was a war that Truman leveled against the Marine Corps in the early
part of the war. Many people forget or just don' t know that the 5th Marine
Brigade was already engaged at the Pusan Perimeter, the 1st Marine Regiment
was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on its way to the Inchon Landing and
the 7th Marine Regiment was on it way from Europe and other places to join
the 5th and 1st Marines in Korea when President Truman unleashed a brutal
verbal assault against the integrity of the Marine Corps.
My company was part of the 1st Marine Regiment on a ship (US
Noble APA-218) on the high seas on the way to Inchon when Truman made his
nasty verbal assault against the Marine Corps. I heard Truman's remarks
first hand because the ship piped all the news from the States over its PA
system. To the Marines who heard Truman's remarks -- his words had more of a
detrimental effect on their moral than almost anything we faced in Korea.
Once a Truman fan after hearing his remarks I never was a fan of his again.
Don Gill
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