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Robert:
My information comes from being a President of a
Computer Corporation and having to make
tough and critical decisions nobody in my organization can understand.
My experience is that the initial story without
critical understanding of the
underlying issues means nothing until they are
evaluated.
Feeling comments such as he Hated or disliked or
Liked something does not explain
how the decision was made or what was the
experience of the person. Anyone bringing that up
comment is presenting a Strawman to
protect unresolved feelings and stop factual information.
What Mr. Ben Frank has presented is exactly what I
seek in decision making.
The FEELING and Prejudice aspect walks when the
facts and issues are
put squarely on the table.
Mr. Truman's experiences against a corrupt industry
was what Roosevelt has to deal with
after the Stock Market crash. Too many large
companies greed assuring profits are PROTECTED
killed the overall strength of our country.
Hense the SEC.
Truman breaking up the US Army, adding a CIA, USAF,
segrating the Military and adding
a government agency the DoD to REGULATE
fair business practices was a shock for those
that did
not want to progress in a moving fair business and
social environments.
For examole, the commercial side there was a
delibrate shakedown of the auto industry where the big 4
wanted to pair down
all the companies to lock up business. Tucker being and advanced case where
large business did not want to engage in new
quality manufacturing methods. Tucker was a threat.
Then to the surprise of the American companies the
Japanese and Gernam cars were winning the market share
with better cars, service and
reliability.
Corporation are not interested in advances in
technology, just the profits and this stagnation in the 50's was
prevalent until the Kennedy administrations Tax
Cut/Reinvestment program and focus going to the Moon.
Trumans decisions were the correct decisions at the
time and for the political environment that existed.
The fact that Truman had the courage
to appologize that he made a mistake and presented it in a humbled and
dignified way also added credibility and hard
earned pride of the US Marines. The key issue was that he may not have
liked adding the Marines but he recognized the Respect they earned and finally
got.
My Uncle joined the Marines in 1954 so I have an
additional POV. Every Marine has a certain elan about them that is unique. It is
quiet but there in your face that says RESPECT.
No matter what anyone explains as the reason
something what is done, it is the INTENT that
needs evaluating.
INTENT is the truth. After the INTENT
comes Meaning and Purpose. No matter what you do in life it comes from
INTENT.
Truman's intent was a man who wanted to make the
best decisions for our country as he saw them. To me they were honest and
without pretense. He worked damn hard and the impression to most Americans was
that Mr. Trumans was a good person that did good things for the
country.
You can raise all the facts you want. I will look
at the underlying Intent. Because that's what counts.
Dan Fahey
When Truman decided the Marines offered value
Truman had the critical decision skills to maintain the
organization.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:20
PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines
I provided the facts.....if you choose to ignore them and
ascribe a prejudice to them that's on you. The record is clear.
Robert
Love Shack wrote:
Robert:I am getting a
cmuch clearer history from Ben Frank.He has provided the underlying reasons and nota description of a prejudice without
facts. Resentment and
competition happen all the time,but when you treat a Division or any crew withoutshowing appreciation there it is going to
causeserious resentment and
disgruntled behavior. Please review with Ben, because this is
interesting! Dan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003
11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the
Marines Dan,
You are referring to my comment.
Truman
was an Arty. Battery Commander with the rank of Captain during the 1st
World War. Marines won laurels and decorations for their performance at
Chateau Thierry and Bellau Woods, And Genl. LeJune, a Marine,
Commanded the 2nd US Army. The designation, "Devil Dogs", (Teffel Hunden)
[sp] was a term the Germans used to define the Marines, and it is still
assumed with pride by the young Marines of today.
The French were
lavish in their praise of the Marines, awarding the Fuer De Guerre [sp] to
the 5th and 6th Marine Regiment, the units involved in those two critical
battles.
This caused tremendous jealousy amongst some Army men, and
Truman was one of those who carried his resentment through the intervening
years, viewing the Marines as nothing more than "the Navy's police force".
To add to his resentment, during that intervening period, Marines were
always the first Military Unit in National Parades, primarily
because they were the Nations only First Reaction Force.
Earlier in
his younger days, Truman failed the entry exams for West Point, and later
in serving under such Graduates, he found them not at all anymore
qualified than he was, and felt they were working politically within the
Officer Hierarchy..
Robert
Love Shack wrote:
The comment
was that Truman Hated the Marines and West Point.Knowing what was
provoking his feelings is what Iam after.You do not like or dislike
something for a whim. Dan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003
3:03 PM
Subject: Truman and the
Marines In a private letter distributed publicly by the
recipient, a congressman, Truman accused the Marines of running a
"propaganda machine almost as good as Stalin's," a remark for which he
had to publicly grovel in apology. And there were suggestions at
the time, an era of drastic military cost-cutting, that the Marines
were redundant and should be cut.
But what are
the "hateful" remarks you are referring to?
--Mandy Katz
Love Shack wrote:
There is more to more to Trumans
distaste of the Marine then is being told.When financial resources
were low for military budgets there was a lot of harshwords going
on. Especially the arbitrage and asset stripping that was
going on withthe large companies. It ws brutal and political. Very
few survived today intact.Such as GM, Hughes, Ford, Boeing,
IBM...and a few others. During his tenure the DoD, CIA and USAF were established.All
were new Government Departments.(BTW are there any others I missed
that were started). I
am interested in the intent of Truman ire toward the Marines.Hate is
not a reason. Something drove the decisionas there were many who
were trying to disolve the Marines. Not to mention the ire of those who tried
to prevent the USAF from forming. Dan Fahey
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject:
Re: Kunsan and Inchon landings, Sept 12 & 15,
1950 Don;
I remember those remarks.....Truman
always denigrated the Corps, and hated Army West Pointers almost
as much, since he had failed to get into the Point. As a Marine in
the First Battalion, we sent a letter requesting Police Badges and
whistles since Truman insisted on calling Korea a Police Action.
Thank you for your service.
DGill11331@aol.com
wrote:
In a
message dated 9/8/2003 10:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wanaki@infionline.net
writes:
The Inchon Landing
secured the future of the Marine Corps, which had
been
considered no longer viable and facing disbanding and
integration into the
other branches. As a consequence of the landing and
the battle at Chosin
Reservoir, a public law was passed by both houses,
declaring that this Nation
would always maintain a Marine Corps
of three divisions and attached Air Wings.
Ed Evanhoe
wrote:
>We're coming up on the
53rd anniversary of landing at Kunsan and the
Inchon
>landing. Anyone have any thoughts of these
events?
>
>Ed
Korea had two forgotten wars. The main
one was the war itself the second was a war that Truman leveled
against the Marine Corps in the early part of the war. Many
people forget or just don' t know that the 5th Marine Brigade
was already engaged at the Pusan Perimeter, the 1st Marine
Regiment was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on its way to
the Inchon Landing and the 7th Marine Regiment was on it way
from Europe and other places to join the 5th and 1st Marines in
Korea when President Truman unleashed a brutal verbal assault
against the integrity of the Marine Corps.
My company was part
of the 1st Marine Regiment on a ship (US Noble APA-218) on the
high seas on the way to Inchon when Truman made his nasty verbal
assault against the Marine Corps. I heard Truman's remarks first
hand because the ship piped all the news from the States over
its PA system. To the Marines who heard Truman's remarks -- his
words had more of a detrimental effect on their moral than
almost anything we faced in Korea. Once a Truman fan after
hearing his remarks I never was a fan of his
again.
Don
Gill
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