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Robert:
They are not beliefs but a process to evaluate what
distinctive elements that
brought Truman to his decision making. OR for my
company.
I read your facts and they were contradicted and or
reinforced by Ben Frank.
Ed Evanhoe also explained that Mr Frank was an
authority on the issues.
Also reading how you respond to other peoples
opinions you use unnecessary
and negative comments ad adjectives that
undermines what you are trying to say.
You just sent one to Walter about his parallex
views. That is insulting to Walter.
He is allowed to have his views from any
position.
Dan Fahey
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:31
PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines
Dan,
As I previously stated, I gave you the facts
concerning Truman and the Marines, and, incidentally, I also have been the
President of a corporation, but never considered myself intractable in my
beliefs. And having now been retired for 12 years realize I will never know
the full story regarding any matter .
Robert
Love Shack wrote:
Robert:My information
comes from being a President of a Computer Corporation and having to
maketough and critical
decisions nobody in my organization can understand.My experience is that the initial story without
critical understanding of theunderlying issues means nothing until they are
evaluated. Feeling
comments such as he Hated or disliked or Liked something does not
explainhow the decision was
made or what was the experience of the person. Anyone bringing that
upcomment is presenting a
Strawman to protect unresolved feelings and stop factual
information. What Mr. Ben
Frank has presented is exactly what I seek in decision
making.The FEELING and
Prejudice aspect walks when the facts and issues areput squarely on the table. Mr. Truman's experiences against a corrupt industry
was what Roosevelt has to deal withafter the Stock Market crash. Too many large companies greed
assuring profits are PROTECTEDkilled the overall strength of our country. Hense the
SEC. Truman breaking up
the US Army, adding a CIA, USAF, segrating the Military and
addinga government agency the
DoD to REGULATE fair business practices was a shock for those that
didnot want to progress in a
moving fair business and social environments. For examole, the commercial side there was a
delibrate shakedown of the auto industry where the big 4wanted to pair down all the companies to lock up
business. Tucker being and advanced case where large business did not want
to engage in new quality manufacturing methods. Tucker was a
threat. Then to the
surprise of the American companies the Japanese and Gernam cars were winning
the market sharewith better
cars, service and reliability. Corporation are not interested in advances in technology, just the
profits and this stagnation in the 50's wasprevalent until the Kennedy administrations Tax
Cut/Reinvestment program and focus going to the
Moon. Trumans decisions
were the correct decisions at the time and for the political environment
that existed.The fact that
Truman had the courage to appologize that he made a mistake and presented it
in a humbled and dignified way also added credibility and hard earned pride
of the US Marines. The key issue was that he may not have liked adding
the Marines but he recognized the Respect they earned and finally
got. My Uncle joined the
Marines in 1954 so I have an additional POV. Every Marine has a certain elan
about them that is unique. It is quiet but there in your face that says
RESPECT. No matter what
anyone explains as the reason something what is done, it is the INTENT that
needs evaluating.INTENT is the
truth. After the INTENT comes Meaning and Purpose. No matter what you
do in life it comes from INTENT. Truman's intent was a man who wanted to make the best decisions for
our country as he saw them. To me they were honest and without pretense. He
worked damn hard and the impression to most Americans was that Mr. Trumans
was a good person that did good things for the
country. You can raise all
the facts you want. I will look at the underlying Intent. Because
that's what counts. Dan Fahey When Truman decided the Marines offered value Truman had the
critical decision skills to maintain the
organization.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003
2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the
Marines I provided the facts.....if you choose to ignore them
and ascribe a prejudice to them that's on you. The record is clear.
Robert
Love Shack wrote:
Robert:I am
getting a cmuch clearer history from Ben Frank.He has provided the
underlying reasons and nota description of a prejudice without
facts. Resentment and
competition happen all the time,but when you treat a Division or any
crew withoutshowing appreciation there it is going to causeserious
resentment and disgruntled behavior. Please review with Ben, because this is
interesting! Dan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 10,
2003 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the
Marines Dan,
You are referring to my comment.
Truman was an Arty. Battery Commander with the rank of Captain
during the 1st World War. Marines won laurels and decorations for
their performance at Chateau Thierry and Bellau Woods, And Genl.
LeJune, a Marine, Commanded the 2nd US Army. The designation,
"Devil Dogs", (Teffel Hunden) [sp] was a term the Germans used to
define the Marines, and it is still assumed with pride by the young
Marines of today.
The French were lavish in their praise of the
Marines, awarding the Fuer De Guerre [sp] to the 5th and 6th Marine
Regiment, the units involved in those two critical battles.
This
caused tremendous jealousy amongst some Army men, and Truman was one
of those who carried his resentment through the intervening years,
viewing the Marines as nothing more than "the Navy's police force".
To add to his resentment, during that intervening period, Marines
were always the first Military Unit in National Parades,
primarily because they were the Nations only First Reaction Force.
Earlier in his younger days, Truman failed the entry exams for
West Point, and later in serving under such Graduates, he found them
not at all anymore qualified than he was, and felt they were working
politically within the Officer Hierarchy..
Robert
Love Shack wrote:
The
comment was that Truman Hated the Marines and West Point.Knowing
what was provoking his feelings is what Iam after.You do not like or
dislike something for a whim. Dan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
2003 3:03 PM
Subject: Truman and the
Marines In a private letter distributed publicly by the
recipient, a congressman, Truman accused the Marines of running a
"propaganda machine almost as good as Stalin's," a remark for
which he had to publicly grovel in apology. And there were
suggestions at the time, an era of drastic military cost-cutting,
that the Marines were redundant and should be cut.
But what are the "hateful" remarks you are
referring to?
--Mandy Katz
Love Shack wrote:
There is more to more to Trumans
distaste of the Marine then is being told.When financial
resources were low for military budgets there was a lot of
harshwords going on. Especially the arbitrage and asset
stripping that was going on withthe large companies. It ws
brutal and political. Very few survived today intact.Such as GM,
Hughes, Ford, Boeing, IBM...and a few others.
During his tenure the DoD, CIA
and USAF were established.All were new Government
Departments.(BTW are there any others I missed that were
started). I am
interested in the intent of Truman ire toward the Marines.Hate
is not a reason. Something drove the decisionas there were many
who were trying to disolve the Marines. Not to mention the ire of those who
tried to prevent the USAF from forming. Dan Fahey
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject:
Re: Kunsan and Inchon landings, Sept 12 & 15,
1950 Don;
I remember those remarks.....Truman
always denigrated the Corps, and hated Army West Pointers
almost as much, since he had failed to get into the Point. As
a Marine in the First Battalion, we sent a letter requesting
Police Badges and whistles since Truman insisted on calling
Korea a Police Action.
Thank you for your service.
DGill11331@aol.com
wrote:
In a
message dated 9/8/2003 10:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wanaki@infionline.net
writes:
The Inchon
Landing secured the future of the Marine Corps, which had
been
considered no longer viable and facing disbanding
and integration into the
other branches. As a consequence
of the landing and the battle at Chosin
Reservoir, a public law
was passed by both houses, declaring that this
Nation
would always maintain a Marine Corps of three
divisions and attached Air Wings.
Ed Evanhoe
wrote:
>We're coming up on
the 53rd anniversary of landing at Kunsan and the
Inchon
>landing. Anyone have any thoughts of
these events?
>
>Ed
Korea had two forgotten wars. The main one was the
war itself the second was a war that Truman leveled against
the Marine Corps in the early part of the war. Many people
forget or just don' t know that the 5th Marine Brigade was
already engaged at the Pusan Perimeter, the 1st Marine
Regiment was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on its way
to the Inchon Landing and the 7th Marine Regiment was on it
way from Europe and other places to join the 5th and 1st
Marines in Korea when President Truman unleashed a brutal
verbal assault against the integrity of the Marine
Corps.
My company was
part of the 1st Marine Regiment on a ship (US Noble APA-218)
on the high seas on the way to Inchon when Truman made his
nasty verbal assault against the Marine Corps. I heard
Truman's remarks first hand because the ship piped all the
news from the States over its PA system. To the Marines who
heard Truman's remarks -- his words had more of a
detrimental effect on their moral than almost anything we
faced in Korea. Once a Truman fan after hearing his remarks
I never was a fan of his again.
Don
Gill
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