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Re: Truman and the Marines



Harold,
If you are going to make generalized statements like: "I guess that my writings of historical record about these men's public and written statements are a basis to call me a bigot?"  You must first must submit solid unquestionable evidence to prove this statement.  The UNDERLINED PHRASES ALL "BEG THE QUESTION."   You wouldn't get anywhere in any court in the nation applying this defective logic. 
 
The question is, "What proof do you have to show the world that your published writings are historically accurate?  Have you published a well-researched book on "these men?"  Does the book contain DETAILED FOOTNOTES and a generous INDEX (in text book format), and is it taught at most universities, and accepted by most associates and friends of "these men?  Do you have "public and written statements" from friends and associates "who knew these men?"  The chances of accumulating such wide-scope data are virtually impossible.    
 
I would simply NOT continue with other unsupported generalized statements like: "Since when has reporting the truth about someone been considered anything but accurate." you must first must submit solid unquestionable evidence to also prove this statement.  If you see a building on fire and yell to ten other people to call the police and fire department, then your testimony as to what you saw and yelled at those ten people will be easily proven; considered accurate.  
 
Therefore, if you believe in your thoughts and ideas strongly, first go see a copyright lawyer for one initial interview.  Do bring all your data and notes with you, but first type your thesis on one page in no more than two paragraphs.  Let the man read it and if you're not satisfied with his response take it to the nearest University's History Department.  Ask to meet with the Professor's Assistant.  Show him or her your thesis, and ask if they would assign one or two MBA students to help you complete the basic search of the existing literature on the statements you claim "these men" made. 
 
Blake
rbmooney@bellsouth.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines

I guess that my writings of historical record about these men's public and written statements are a basis to call me a bigot? Since when has reporting the truth about someone been considered anything but accurate. Forced eugenics on the part of FDR, the refusal of the relaxing of the immigration policies of this nation under FDR and Truman for the displaced survivors of concentration camps, the refusal to recognize a Jewish homeland until 1949, and a belated integration policy for this nation's armed forces until late in Truman's term, does not equate into me being called or labeled a bigot. And, I can at least sign my name to what I write.
 
How does personal slurs address the historic facts of these two men's record? 
 
Harold Stockton
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Love Shack
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines

I guess you do see him Bigoted..takes one to know one.
and you are an objective historian?
 
D
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: Truman and the Marines

I have been amazed at how many people have gotten so riled up over anything that Harry Truman might have said about the Marines. Truman was an equal-opportunity bigot and smear-monger, even to the point of being an anti-Semit. If one goes to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3059087.stm, there is the report about how old Harry "described Jews as "very, very selfish . . . They [the Jews] care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment," he wrote in 1947.

"Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political, neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog.

"Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist, he goes haywire.

"I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes."

All that can be attributed to Truman is that he was an unabashed bigot, meteoric tempered, never forgave a slight, and wroye down too many personal thoughts that were best kept unsaid. That being said from a historian's perspective, I think that there has been far too much time spent on this thread on what and why this smallish man said about one of this country's armed services.

Though Truman was not the onlt former president who was bigoted, FDR even had a plan for the forced eugenics of the entire Japanese race with south-Pacific islanders to "bread" out their militant tendencies. But thankfully, this country, and the office of the presidency is larger than the petty foibles of a few small men. I would hope that the readers and contributers to this thread are made of the same stearner metal than to take some small slight as grounds to take some off-hand remark as a personal offense.

Harold Stockton