Re: revising air war kill tallies

["Love Shack" <Home@DanSources.com>]

My opinion:
It seems the US system was fairly accurate.
Jose:
My suggestion, identify the reasons each kill was over claimed.
At the same time some kills may have occcured and not counted.

One of the issues was that I suspect more Migs were 
shot down by Prop planes then recorded. What were these?

Mustang pilots dogfighting the Migs stated they got excellent hits.
Cookie states that there were no Mustang claims, 
though one Corsair and 3 Fury pilots managed to knock a few down.

Dan Fahey




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jose castillo" <felizguajiro@yahoo.com>
To: <KOREAN-WAR-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu>
Cc: <dzampini@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:28 AM
Subject: revising air war kill tallies


> hello to the group, this is my first message here.
> korean war jet ace harold fisher once said, "it is
> interesting to compare our claims of victory with the
> numbers from the other side. we found many aerial
> victories that needed recounting." in this spirit, i
> am trying to come up with more accurate kill tallies
> for US korean war aces, based on the best data
> currently available. my friend diego from argentina, a
> contributor here, has provided the information. what
> we have is a provisional list of the top five american
> aces, giving them the benefit of the doubt for all
> their chinese kills, but modifying their soviet kills
> to come up with a new total for each. (the chinese
> records, diego tells me, provide only monthly kill
> totals, not day-to-day, making systematic correlation
> with US records difficult.)  
> 
> *joe mcconnell, 16 kills: 9 of his 16 claims were
> actually against soviet MiGs. 6 are fully admitted by
> the russians and 3 were overclaims. his score would be
> 13.
> 
> *james jabara, 15 kills: he claimed 6 MiGs in his
> first tour, but only 4 actually happened. all his
> kills in his 2nd tour were against chinese, so his
> tally would be 13.
> 
> *pete fernandez, 14.5 kills: 4 of his air battles were
> against soviets, and he scored in 3 of them. the march
> 9, 1953 kill was an overclaim, so pete's score is 13
> 1/2.
> 
> *george davis, 14 kills: he was credited with 11 MiGs
> and 3 tupolevs; he actually got 10 MiGs and 2
> tupolevs. his score is 12
> 
> *royal baker, 13 kills: 5 of his claims were against
> soviet planes, and 3 actually happened. his score is
> 11.
> 
> NEW TALLIES:
> fernandez 13.5
> mcconnell 13
> jabara 13
> davis 12
> baker 11
> 
> what do folks think of this? as for the chinese data,
> any ideas for incorporating it into my revisionist
> history? thanks! jose c.
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