----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18
PM
Subject: Re: revising air war kill
tallies
Jose,
Yes, I am a Russian linguist and that SURE helps out in this sort of
thing!
As for exact losses, here are the summary numbers I currently have from
all sources that I can cite by day/date/type and in most cases (Soviet) pilot
involved.
Aircraft:
Combat Loss
Non-Combat Loss
A-20G
1
-
IL-12 1
-
LA-11
- 3
Yak-17UTI
1
-
MiG-15/MiG-15bis
315
32
Chinese -- I have a total of 68 losses from Chinese sources (thanks
to Xiaoming Zhang!)
La-11
3
Tu-2
5
MiG-15/MiG-15bis 60
Korean -- I can pretty much verify that these were lost, based on
"smoking holes in the ground":
IL-10
9
La-9
5
MiG-15/MiG-15bis 1*
Po-2 6
Yak-9P
28
Yak-18
3
* -- While the Koreans state they flew combat missions, the actual
reports from both Russian and Chinese sources are a bit thin. One Russian
source states that after Kim Il Sung lost 75% of his air force of 239 aircraft
in less than 10 weeks he did not want to lose any of the new MiG-15s and as
such strictly curtailed their use. "Onesies" and "Twosies" did fly with
Chinese formations, but the Chinese apparently didn't want these pariahs near
them, either.
Overall that amounts to 439 confirmed (by both sides) air-to-air losses.
Cookie Sewell
AMPS