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Re: P39 in Korea from Joe Baugher site



German weapons could have come to Chinese forces in Korea two ways (at least). The "standard" rifle of the Nationalists pre WWII was the 7.92mm Mauser. Most were manufactured in China ("Generalissimo Model"). But others were purchased in Czechoslovakia (Vz.24) and Germany (Mauser Standard Modell), among other permutations. Some of the latter were manufactured during the Nazi period. As is well known Nationalist troops in the late 30's often wore the Model 1935 coal scuttle style German helmet, and had other German equipment besides rifles. It would be surprising if none of this stuff was encountered in Korea, I'm sure it was.
 
Or German stuff could have come via the Soviets postwar, but AFAIK that's not documented. However I think Cookie's point was more on the level of heavy equipment, not infantry weapons. Orders of battle of the time from the West speculated the presence of for example ex-German AAA but that doesn't seem to have been common if it was the case at all, unless someone knows differently.
 
AFAIK the Chinese esp. at first had weapons from every source imaginable, but the KPA much less variety: mostly relatively modern Soviet stuff  in front line units with some exceptions: The "Soviet View" translation mentions that the 5th Div (which was one of those with a nucleus of Chinese-Korean PLA vets) was armed with "captured" weapons. US sources say the 12 Div was armed with Japanese Type 99 rifles til it mainly re-armed itself with ROKA Garands.
 
On the ROK side second line units, esp. the national police, who participated in harassing the KPA on their advance into the South and mopping them up after their retreat, were also mainly armed at first with Japanese small arms.
 
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Scott
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: P39 in Korea from Joe Baugher site

Cookie, you mean all those Nazi weapons with the Swastika stamped on them were all just  "mythos" and I had just dreamed all these years that they had existed but that was just a fantasy?  Shame on me,  I should have known better than to believe my eyesight. Perhaps I should erase all those memories but I can't as they are too imbeded in my memories.  I'm sure some of our V-N vets are still carrying around "mythos" of Nazi weaponry.  I'll tell my neighbor that his memories don't exist either and that he's been telling lies too.
 
That aside, I wish You and Yours a very Merry Christmas and A Great New Year!
Bill Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: P39 in Korea from Joe Baugher site

Please check the sections of the Russian history of the Korean War that I translated for Ed and are posted on the website. They cover a lot of the material including the screwy artillery laydown that was used.
 
Some of the mythos about "Nazi" stuff even rolled over to Vietnam, and I can recall the standard handbook on VC/PAVN weapons showing ridiculous items like 88mm FlaK 18s in them. Most of this stuff was scrapped as the Soviets felt their items were better and more useful in "wars of national liberation" than the other. They also apparently didn't have sufficient ammunition for most of it and didn't feel like making it in addition to their own products.
 
Cookie Sewell
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