Picked this up from Mike Yared's site and picked up this quote "Despite being a relatively unsophisticated aircraft, the F-80 did manage to maintain a 2 to 1 kill ratio over the MiG, claiming 31 of the Soviet fighters destroyed to the loss of 14 to the guns of the MiGs " I get the feeling from other records comments by you and Diego that the F80 and F84 were shot down more then this statement says. Dan Fahey